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Apr 8th 2008 at 03:25:03 PM |
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joni |
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Kamil: instead of having a negative intonation/bias whenever you write something after you have a problem, try with a positive one... Example "What is wrong with the video folder? Why can't I upload Viennasweeper videos?" to "Could you guys fix the video folder so that the shiny released Viennasweeper videos can also be uploaded? Thank you." From this moment on Viennasweeper videos can also be uploaded... i will fix the icon some other time. just got back home after an extremely long day... where not much went my way... the only high point was the snow coming down on the way home =) Night! |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 02:23:49 PM |
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Ronny |
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Funny, I always had the impression that MS somehow produced easier intermediate boards or was faster than clone, because I hardly play on it but did get my record on MS in 7,5 minutes time. I like the stats in clone, so I don't bother switching to arbiter or viennasweeper. BTW, nice scores Kamil and Fritz ![]() |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 01:26:48 PM |
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KAmil |
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I think that if Chris adds UPK and cheat modes, pop-up window, nice history, then Vienna will became a standard ![]() ![]() btw, my 47NF on 161 was my 10th sub50 and 6th sub50 NF ![]() |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 01:16:37 PM |
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KAmil |
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Big Congrats to Fritz ![]() I played some Int on vienna, but got only 13x3 ![]() |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 12:58:11 PM |
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fritz |
Best expert: |
51,61===>51,31 (both arbiter)======>50,47 on viennasweeper |
Best intermediate: |
15,64 on vienna sweeper |
Best beginner: |
1,76 on vienna sweeper |
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just happy ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 50.47 sec on 3BV=123 @ 3BV/s=2.49. i actually felt getting much slower before i got this board. then, in the first third of the board it was est.45, in the second third est.60 and without the pop-up window from mbh i wouldn't have recognized getting a highscore. the video replay is at minesweper.cc since kamil said that it's not yet possible to add vsweep videos to a profile here. anyway now i should be in the top50. not that it really says that much but it means being on the 1st page on wr which makes it a bit easier to show my friends at school my minesweeper world rank. @damien: though it should be obvious to me that vsweep is slightly the fastest clone i'll surely stick to arbiter as well. just a question beside: is msx faster than clone too and where is windows ms on your list of version speed? |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 11:12:42 AM |
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KAmil |
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@Christoph: When I renamed video file, history doesnt see it ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 11:06:39 AM |
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Christoph |
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While vsweep and MBH are open (and the vsweep statusbar says 'ready' (F2 for that)) you can select the video on MBH (by clicking on it's index (leftmost column)) - then just click the play button on MBH and the vid should start to play in vsweep. Alternative you can use the extract function of MBH - select the desired game and press extract - it will then be copied to \vids\extracted\. Then you use the Open Button of the vsweep video toolbar to open the file. Then you press the Play Button on the toolbar to start it. You're talking about the metanoodle video folder? I don't know. |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 10:42:04 AM |
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KAmil |
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2 questions: How can I watch my vids? Why I cant upload to video folder? |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 10:31:02 AM |
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KAmil |
Best expert: |
NF 47 -> 47x2 (47x3) |
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47,91 on 161 ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 10:13:02 AM |
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KAmil |
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No more Clone for me ![]() |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 09:45:05 AM |
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damien |
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Faster computer monitors (screens) open squares faster. Some clones open squares faster than others, depending on how they are programmed to send messages when you click. I was worried about ViennSweeper because it is faster than other clones, but after a long talk with Christoph I understand that you will only notice the difference on good monitors. (VSweep is 1st, Arbiter 2nd, Clone 3rd). |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 09:39:59 AM |
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manuel h |
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@ kamil: grats! u finaly got what we talk about when we say that one clone is faster than another ! it depends on the computerspeed, but different clones use different ways to display whats happening, so there is a difference in the speed of the programm. christoph told me ( i think that was in budapest) that viennasweeper uses the best method, but im not really into this... btw, u have several weeks now to get that **** 9 first, i think i'll not be able to play ms in the near future... mfg |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 08:31:19 AM |
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KAmil |
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I have a question: can faster computers show squares faster? I used to spend 80% my playtime on my Bad Laptop, but I didnt have good times. I got 10,015 and today 32/33 @9 @ school, where computers are faster. And I got 10x2 in 1 day and few days ago sup5NF on my Better Laptop. Everything shows that Im faster on faster computers ![]() |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 08:19:34 AM |
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fritz |
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@ronny: i meant relatime+1. so only boards solved in faster than 1sec realtime would be excluded. if you look at the evolution of beg 3BV/s world records you'll see that they all have been achieved on rather high 3BV boards and in time>1sec(realtime). basically the 3BV limit seems to be quite a good and easaliy explainable solution to me but how can the best 3BV minimum be defined? is a good 3BV/s on an e.g. 7 3BV board automatically luck even if its speed is due to flagging one mine? i'd say lucky 3BV/s highscores on beg are based on low 3BV an as a consequence on very low times. if we exclude too many boards from a possible validation we take away the chances for some highscores based on skill. so my suggestions on both aspects (time and 3BV) would be: 1. time<1sec realtime ==> invalid, all other 3BV/s scores valid. or 2. 3BV<6 ==> invalid, 3BV from 6-10 discussed by imc whether they are based on guesses/luck or on skill, all 3BV>10 valid |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 07:02:04 AM |
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Ronny |
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@Kamil: I don't think time is the best way to determine if a record was luck or not. 1 or 2 seconds may be a long time for very fast players like you, but for slow sweepers it is a very short time. (Time is relative like Einstein said!) For instance, when I solved my lucky 5 3BV board I had 1,377s of pure luck. Looking at my stats it was obviously luck and we want to exclude such records. But if 1,377s is still luck than we would have to exclude a World record board of 3BV=12 @ 8 3BVs as well, because that also takes ~1,3s. I think a 3BV=12 board World record should be valid. Choosing the fixed 3BV limit also is much easier to explain to people than a linear formula. Choosing 3BV=10 even easier. |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 05:54:10 AM |
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fritz |
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@ kamil, ronny, gergö, daniel, serpenter and bertie: congratulations to you all on breaking 1 or more records ![]() ![]() ![]() @beginner 3BV/s: i think that a 3BV minimum isn't be the best solution because it would make the records too dependant on the board difficulty. my first thought about that topic was to set a time minimum. at a min. time of 2.00sec a sup6 3BV/s would need at least a 3BV=6 board, sup8 even 3BV=8. this is just an example, i suppose the best time value is somewhere between 1.5sec and 3sec. 3BV/s highscores would be based much more on skill than on luck (at least those on easy boards). please tell me what you think about that suggestion |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 02:48:23 AM |
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Kat |
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@Joni: And Tam does seem to be around??!! |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 02:41:00 AM |
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KAmil |
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Just blasted 32/33, timer is @ 9,94 ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 02:18:19 AM |
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KAmil |
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My opinion: 11 3BV for beg for 3bv/s records ![]() |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 12:53:32 AM |
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Ronny |
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@KAmil: Can I play expert again now or do you plan on getting sup9 this week? ![]() @Damien: 8,9 or 10 3BV won't make any difference I think. 8 is enough to avoid luck, but it would be highly unlikely to set the record on a 8 or 9 3BV board because you always lose a few tenths of a second at the start and to make up for that loss of time on a 8 3BV board is almost impossible. So 10 3BV indeed looks nicer. |
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Apr 8th 2008 at 12:47:57 AM |
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Gergő |
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@Ronny: Not a bad method. I play exp at a middle speed, and my aim is to save the most time to think, so I click relatively fast on the evident squares and when I feel that this should be a good time enough, I slow down a bit and try to minimise the risk to finish that board. On int I play as fast, as possible, but if I feel a low 3BV board, I slow down in order not to misclick. @all: I promised yesterday that I don't stand up until a pop-up window. It succeeded ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 11:21:39 PM |
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KAmil |
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@Jon S: Big congrats to u ![]() Go to history -> Tables -> Lines:Year, u can see only games from 2008 ![]() My Int NF averages: year 2008: cl/s: 4,719 IOE: 0,771 3BV/s: 3,636 year 2007: cl/s: 4,687 IOE: 0,658 Notice, that the only thing what I improved was IOE. Yours IOE is good, just try to be faster ![]() @Ronny: now I must get 9 ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 09:43:43 PM |
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joni |
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way to go Jon ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 09:42:47 PM |
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joni |
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@Ronny: IOS=log(3BV)/log(realtime) is mathematically not a meaningful index for beginner (the log is close to 0 when realtimes are around 1, hence IOS diverges to +, - infinity)... though my personal opinion is that pretty much all beginner records are basically meaningless ![]() So i'd say if you REALLY think sth should be done about the 3BV/s record take a handful of players that care to play beginner at a regular basis (I'm thinking Tam, Iguana, Kamil, Fritz, etc. i'd have thrown Badgers in there too but he seems not to be around anymore) or anyone else who really wants to have a say on the issue and let them agree to what they think it's best... i personally join Elmar in saying i wouldn't care less if they go for 2 or 54 ... it will continue to have no real meaning for me. |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 05:41:25 PM |
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Jon S |
Best intermediate: |
4,002 3BV/s |
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Congrats to Serpenter and other record breakers I was wrong in my last post. I just made a 4,002 3BV/s on 94 3BV. Video is in my folder. @Kamil (averages): Time:22,576 3BV/s:2,858 clicks/s:3,828 IOE:0,747 Those are my averages since 2007. I probably average slightly better in all categories today, especially on good days. Do you have a significantly higher IOE than me? I know my mouse handling skillz aren't as good as I'd like, so I make misclicks quite regularly ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 05:14:02 PM |
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Elmar |
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I was part of the consent with Detrusor and I remember distincly not even caring back then. ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 04:03:25 PM |
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damien |
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hey ronny...if you're going for 8, why not 10? That'd be nice..10 mines 10 clicks. When 4 was unofficially mentioned, people thought Cowman's random 4 clicks would never happen! Also, I know of someone claiming 3bv=7 and someone claiming 3bv=8 on a 1s game. Tam would say 'ban tard!' ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 04:01:51 PM |
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Ronny |
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BTW, I'm certain that 5 3BV isn't sufficient, because I've once solved a board by 95% luck with 5 3BV. The attached file shows this perfectly by the IOS of that 5 3BV board. ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 03:52:31 PM |
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Ronny |
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@Joni: Maybe we should make a poll and let everyone choose their prefered 3BV limit for the beginner 3BVs record. In the end you can simply calculate the average 3BV of all votes to determine what the limit should be and let the IMC make it official. (My vote would be >=8 or >8, because that would result in an almost astronomical small chance to create a record purely based on luck.) |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 02:44:43 PM |
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joni |
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Grats Daniel!! and SHAME ON YOU ![]() ![]() @Kamil: Thy Cowman once got a 1 on a 4 with 4 random clicks @ 9.52 3BV/s (on a touchpad ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 02:08:46 PM |
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Ronny |
Best beginner: |
FL 3,904 -> 4,381 (3BV=36) |
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@Kamil: Very nice, but off course I couldn't let you be >2x as me. ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 01:36:20 PM |
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Kat |
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Hi Serp ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 01:21:20 PM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Comments: |
Just blasted 126/141 est 43NF ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 01:16:27 PM |
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KAmil |
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Just blasted 179/188 @ 3,926 3BV/s NF. I changed my opinion - sup4NF probably is possible ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 12:02:31 PM |
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KAmil |
Best beginner: |
1x16 -> x17 |
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1,612s on 3, new Clone record ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 11:52:17 AM |
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KAmil |
Best beginner: |
1x15 -> x16 |
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1,623s on 3, new Clone record ![]() Congrats to Daniel, NF is good ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 11:48:34 AM |
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Aris |
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@daniel:about the IMC issue:sry but honestly i didnt understand a word ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 11:18:22 AM |
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daniel |
Best expert: |
64->62 |
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i said it works quite well didnt i? ![]() ![]() ![]() 62,54 on a 143 board (nf ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 10:56:43 AM |
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KAmil |
Best beginner: |
7,637 -> 7,882 !!!!!! |
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16 3BV in 3,03s ![]() @Damien: now it must be a world record ![]() @Ronny: Im again more than 2x faster than u ![]() ![]() Vid linked |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 10:48:50 AM |
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Ronny |
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@Daniel: I guess we all have such boards once in a while. It starts as if you are playing a very easy intermediate board, but turns out into a board of hell. My record is 79.8s and compare that with attached vid. Such estimate times and speed will only ever come true in our dreams I'm afraid. ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 10:06:15 AM |
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KAmil |
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@daniel: 121/195 isnt enought to know est correctly. In fact I solved few times something like 130/200 est sup4 NF ![]() ![]() @Damien: my previous post is to u, not to "Who" ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 10:01:38 AM |
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daniel |
Best expert: |
2,76 |
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just blasted a 3,35 3bvs at 121/195 (nf) - think i wouldnt have been able to hold that speed but it would have been be great to finish that game... after getting a new desk i play on the book "poetics and narrative structures in the novels by italo calvino" and it works quite well...im afraid of the day i must give it back to the library ![]() i think the imc should do all things that are necessary...might sound srtange but i think they should respond to asks coming out of the community (beside accepting clones and validating scores). it would be great if they would just be the contact person for everything belonging to minesweeper - they neednt be an officail organ or create there own task list, they should just feel responsible for evreything necessary..though it sounds not much i think thats hard enaough to achieve ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 06:43:04 AM |
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Ronny |
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@Gergő: I think I'm sort of a sprinter with minesweeper, because I can only solve expert boards fast for about 100 3BV and then I lose concentration. My biggest problem while playing expert is that I'm not able to stop analyzing during a board. If a board looks like a low 3BV board, I slow down to not make a mistake. If a board starts really fast I slow down because I start thinking about the possible end result. On intermediate I get my records totally different. I play normal speed till I see a promising board and then try to go as fast as possible, taking all possible risks without thinking.......that works for intermediate (because blasting 499 out of 500 will still result in a great record one day), but not on expert because I would blast 9.999 out of 10.000 boards and it would take months before I would solve a board without blasting it. ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 06:11:03 AM |
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Gergő |
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@Ronny: You are much faster than me at both beg and int... Your 3BV/s sum is more than a quarter unit more than mine... ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 05:53:05 AM |
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KAmil |
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@who else has broken this record? What is the best of all potential records? Btw, can I sent u on email News written by myself before every upload (u only copy)? U make mistakes in almost all News ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 04:49:42 AM |
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Ronny |
Best beginner: |
FL 3,806 -> 3,904 and NF 3,844 -> 3,859 |
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I didn't want Kamil to be more 2x as fast, so played a little beginner. (NF sum: 3,859 + 2,870 + 2,021 = 8,750) |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 04:17:27 AM |
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damien |
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@kamil: don't worry i didn't forget: there are about 5 people who have broken this record....but one of them is maybe a fake, so i have stopped this category until the problem is solved. if you have the real record, i will update it later. |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 03:00:46 AM |
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KAmil |
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Congrats to Serp and all record breakers ![]() @Damien: You forgot about my Beg FL 3BV/s world record of 7,637 ![]() |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 01:22:32 AM |
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Name: |
Arsen |
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Serp, congratulations! Sub50 soon ) |
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Apr 7th 2008 at 01:16:56 AM |
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Name: |
AreOut |
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Wow grats Serp! ![]() |
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Apr 6th 2008 at 10:57:50 PM |
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Best expert: |
Serpenter |
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Expert 54 -> 51.092 (3bv=125) so close to 50, but anyway im happy. Hi Kat ]8) |
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Apr 6th 2008 at 04:27:16 PM |
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Michael |
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"Michael Dunlop didn't join for personal reasons" - you make it sound like I have a terminal illness. ![]() ![]() I thoroughly agree with Tommy's post a couple of pages back. Transparency is really important with something like this. The more closed off the IMC is, the more likely it is to alienate itself from the rest of the community, and the less likely it is to be respected. The IMC is surely based on respect - that's how people become members of the IMC, by being respected members of the community. As Tommy says, there are a lot of people who don't have the time for the IMC, or perhaps don't want the pressure, or perhaps just don't talk enough to get elected, but nevertheless have valid opinions. Of course, it's hard to say this without sounding like a preacher, but that's not the effect I want. Every IMC member I've talked to has been a very nice and sensible person, which is why it would be silly if the IMC continues to be slightly closed off from everyone else. That's my two cents, anyway. Oh and my spacing was ruined last time as well. ![]() |
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Apr 6th 2008 at 01:00:00 PM |
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damien |
Best expert: |
Rankings Updated |
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Bertie gets a 50 and Fritz gets a better 51...not a lot of scores this week. Congrats Kamil on the sup5, and Ronny for joining the world ranking. |
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Apr 6th 2008 at 09:22:06 AM |
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IMC (Thomas Kolar) |
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We are sorry to announce that two of our members retired recently. Andrew McCauley and Gergely Nagy no longer had time and decided to resign. As a replacement, we would like to welcome Yeoh Wee Pin and Jason Kriegel, being those who had the next highest votes at the election at the end of last year (Michael Dunlop didn't join for personal reasons). |
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Apr 6th 2008 at 08:54:44 AM |
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KAmil |
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@Jon S: Try to open a lot of openings in the start and u will get sup4 soon ![]() |
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Apr 6th 2008 at 08:43:48 AM |
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Name: |
Jon S |
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Congrats to Bertie and all other record breakers. I was hoping to get a sup-4 on int before Kamil got sup-5, but I'm just too slow. Today I managed 4,7 clicks/s at least. It seems like I generally click faster on boards with more openings, so I suppose it might take a while yet before I get a sup-4. |
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Apr 6th 2008 at 07:01:54 AM |
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joni |
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Great Bertie! Big grats!!! ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 6th 2008 at 02:47:47 AM |
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Name: |
Bertie |
Best expert: |
51.02 -> 50.67 0n 129 @ 2.59 3bv/s & 0.79 IOE |
Best beginner: |
5.00 3bv/s -> 5.66 |
Comments: |
I broke my exp record (obviously :D) two days ago. It was so close to sub50, and had I played better round the 15th second it would've been. Oh well. I also thought of a way to improve a players use of information. Still thinking on it though. |
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Apr 6th 2008 at 01:25:41 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
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My Beginner record with trackpad is 7s ![]() Yesterday I made new Exp IOE record: 0,870 -> 0,871 ![]() ![]() Int NF 5,125 vid with pop-up window utubed and boxed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MN77pmQOJQ http://www.box.net/shared/6zgtxe680s My Int NF 10,97s on winminexp is in my folder now ![]() |
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Apr 5th 2008 at 08:01:07 PM |
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Ronny |
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Hehe, no i didn't notice the chatbox ![]() |
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Apr 5th 2008 at 07:47:32 PM |
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Ryan Heise |
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Hi Ronny, I was watching while you scored your new records, and tried to send you some messages through the chatbox but maybe you didn't see them? Anyway, no, of course I'm not disappointed to see how you've improved! It actually gives me more inspiration to see where I could be in another 2 months ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 5th 2008 at 04:09:38 PM |
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Name: |
Schu (Andrew McCauley) |
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Congrats Christoph, glad it finally got through, and it's nice to have a clone that is somewhat actively updated. You can expect me to look through and make suggestions and pick on bugs, as usual for each clone I find :P |
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Apr 5th 2008 at 12:29:38 PM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
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@Kamil: Congrats on being the first to break the sup5 barrier NF. ![]() |
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Apr 5th 2008 at 10:58:09 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Best intermediate: |
NF 4,974 -> 5,125 !!!!!!!!!!! |
Comments: |
World record and 7th to sup5 ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 ov 4 goals to retire is done ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 5th 2008 at 10:19:30 AM |
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Name: |
Christoph |
Comments: |
Today in the very early morning (or yesterday latenight - as you like ![]() So ViennaSweeper is now an accepted clone ![]() download linked. |
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Apr 5th 2008 at 08:23:57 AM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
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@Ryan: I hope it doesn't disappoint you, but I've played a little again at hi-games....I first watched my old 36s replay and it's funny to see how I changed my game play and speed over the last two months. I just moved up a couple spots and I'm now am #17 with 30.00s (I was aiming for sub30 but this will do ![]() |
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Apr 5th 2008 at 07:25:13 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Comments: |
Just solved 60 3BV in 13,439 NF @ 4,824 ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 5th 2008 at 06:47:23 AM |
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Name: |
Schu (Andrew McCauley) |
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Hi hi. I'm not really playing minesweeper these days, but I am playing a little and looking to get back up to scratch. I'll try to go on IRC every now and then too. I'm fairly sure I'll be stuck at 1-14-52 for perpetuity though. Just wanted to say hi. If you want to keep in contact with me (and I hope some more of your do at least) there is livejournal (schubomb.livejournal.com), facebook (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=573916842), or email (as linked here, also works for MSN and googletalk). Oh, and skype, schubomb again. Sad not to be part of the community anymore really, but I'll try to drop in now and then :) seeya, Schu |
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Apr 5th 2008 at 04:43:29 AM |
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Ryan Heise |
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Ronny, I know you must be much faster now but I have almost caught up to you on hi-games.net which has been a goal of mine since becoming interested in minesweeper ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 07:53:37 PM |
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Kat |
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mmmm...spamming... Thanks for the answer AreOut ![]() ![]() I just got my 40th sub 70. Thanks guys for NOT staying up to support my effort ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 05:01:38 PM |
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Elmar |
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@Cristian from Venezuela: You're welcome. ![]() @Damien/All: Just to explain myself. I certainly didn't say it took me 30min of clicking in the same two places. I know this is what a lot sweepers did back then. My approach was a lot more sophisticated. ![]() I looked at all my 2sec game screenshots and checked if any of them would turn into a 1 3bv board when hitting a mine on the 1st click (which moves this mine to the top left corner). I found 2 boards for which this applied. Then I simply always clicked in one of the 2 spaces that would eventually result in a 1 3bv board on the first click. However, I still played every promising board. I may have said that I could get a 1 3bv board within 30min if I wanted to (by just clicking through the cycle). Nonetheless, this obviously didn't take any skill whatsoever, I just went about it in a smarter way than a lot of other people. ![]() ![]() Anyways, expert rules and I am proud to be in the top10 with a 2 on tart! ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 04:05:51 PM |
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Kat |
Best expert: |
61 |
Best intermediate: |
16 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
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@grzegorz: It seem that this is true for teens all over the world, not just in Poland. But maybe teens have always been this way and as adults we forget what we were like. Fortunately for me(and my children) my memory is pretty good. I was an annoying little brat as a child ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 02:49:40 PM |
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Cristian |
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thanks to Elmar, from Germany for the congratulations some days ago ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 02:45:47 PM |
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grzegorz |
Best expert: |
it doesnt matter right now |
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@joni: unfortunetly it is so polish to be arrogant right now, and unfortunetly i have to live here (in Poland), with all those irritating teenagers ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 01:45:18 PM |
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Ronny |
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@Gergo: Ok, I'll try to sneak past you when you're gome tomorrow, hehe. I've just blasted 3 sub80's in 1 hour in the last 5 3BV of a board ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 09:55:08 AM |
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joni |
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Ronny, there are is not going to be any war, nonetheless because this is not a community of a game where people try to kill each-other ![]() ![]() ![]() @Kamil: No-one is challenging your freedom of speech... and you are free to play as much minesweeper you want, the way you want... BUT if you want to be part of a community of people, you have to follow a certain behaviour code, whether written or not written. something else to maybe think about: If you simply assume you are perfect (at something), then it becomes more difficult for you to improve... If you admit to yourself you are HUMAN instead and that you CAN make mistakes (i understand it might not that easy), then you can look back at what you do (at the way you behave, what you write, the English you use, the games you play... et cetera, et cetera) recognize your errors, learn from them and IMPROVE... P.S. the spacing works ok for me at home [Firefox 1.5, IE7, ] but not at work Firefox 2.0... hopefully it got fixed in the meantime |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 05:32:32 AM |
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Gergő |
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@Ronny: Thanks a lot. Nowadays I play only 1-1,5 hour a day. But I have the urge to prove for you all and of course, for myself, that I deserve this certain 67. It would be very important for me, just to rest my soul. You can understand me, can you. But just to slow down as you asked, I won't play tomorrow as I won't be home at all. ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 05:12:01 AM |
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Ronny |
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@KAmil: Before this turns into a flame war.....I'll talk to you on msn about this, OK? |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 05:04:39 AM |
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Ronny |
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@Gergo: Very nice, but slow down now please....I took a break for 2 days and you just moved up a gear. Makes it hard for me to play catch up, you know. ![]() Jk congrats ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 05:01:37 AM |
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KAmil |
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@joni: "You might know a handful of patterns, but it doesn't mean there don't exist more" - every player who has sub60 knows all the patters, secret of my pwnage is in effective clicking ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 04:01:02 AM |
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tK |
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Mine as well :P Sorry @ anyone who read that rant down there! |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 02:48:21 AM |
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damien |
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@all: Bravenet.com is changing the guestbook, so there will be mistakes this week! (it is ignoring my spacing!) |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 02:46:50 AM |
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damien |
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@Elmar: Yes...I am trying to make the ranking more accurate. Both your 1s games were 3bv=1, and you said in the guestbook you played on purpose to get these games (for example, your 2nd 1 only took 30min of only clicking in the same 2 places). Back then, we thought this was acceptable. @Elmar again: I will remove Matt's 10 soon...but his first and second 11 were also UPK, and I need to find the video and date of his first non-UPK game. @kamil about stevan: Many people thought Stevan was a cheater...but no one proved it in the last 6 years. There used to be minesweeper on minesweeper.org and Stevan beat me and Lasse there. I have videos from him of 44 on Winmine, 45 on MSX, 47 on Arbiter and 47 on Clone...It is true he has also a 41 on Winmine that everyone said is fake (but not proved: that is why his Winmine scores are not allowed). |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 02:26:42 AM |
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tK |
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oh yeah and @ elmar, looks like we're tied now ;-) ![]() BTW I chatted with AreOut yesterday and we talked about his arbiter 41 - I believe him, the style looks a bit extreme but we all have different styles, and if you take into account the fact that he used an extremely heavy but soft mouse it makes perfect sense. To me at least. |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 01:54:25 AM |
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Thomas Kolar (tK) |
Best expert: |
42 |
Best intermediate: |
12 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
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I would like to say that I agree with Joni and Kat. It is basically what I wanted to post yesterday. However, I would also like to note that I can understand you to a certain degree. It is not that long ago that I was a young sweeper (OK I still am pretty ypoung :P), made progress extremely quickly and was pretty arrogant about it (as especially christoph will be happy to confirm ;-)) I understand the urge to post your acchievements. You have recently acchieved extremely good scores and of course you want to make them public. And its not a problem that you do that. Its the how. You are extremely arrogant, and you post extremely often. Could you please do what Kat suggested? And I know what it feels like to be in your position, I can understand you, but if you do this from a desire to prove yourself, please note that you aren't gaining any respect this way. By the way, if you can't hold back the urge to post something, we have an IRC channel that is perfect for exactly that purpose. But don't continuously fill the GB with spam. I don't mean to insult you, but I mean what I write seriously. Do us all (and yourself) a favor and stop it, OK? regards and *happy* sweeping, Thomas Kolar |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 01:53:34 AM |
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Gergő |
Best expert: |
(Except that 67) 77Fl (78NF) ->75 NF |
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Yesterday I made my best NF exp game. A 75,987 on a 156 board. It was my 4. sub 80. But it was a great IOS record of 1,16968 from the previous 1,16303, a great RQP record of 36,526 from the previous 38,997 and the third best 3BV/s, a 2,080. It is only third, as I broke my exp 3BV/s record yesterday as well, but only with few (seven) thousandth, a 2,089 in 104,899 on a 217 board. My aim is to get as many sub 80 times, and/or sup 2 3BV/s as possible, and try to solve higher and higher percent of the boards as Vienna is coming soon. ![]() |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 01:51:08 AM |
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AreOut |
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No it is not. |
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Apr 4th 2008 at 01:24:25 AM |
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Kat |
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@Joni: Thanks! ![]() @Kamil: Sorry i didn't get round to emailing you, i am extremely time poor. It would have read pretty similar to what Joni wrote anyway. I would however like to add a positive suggestion, maybe getting into a habit of a once a week "brag post" where you share your weekly accomplishments with the community would be a good idea. It would probably make it easier for Damien to keep better track of all the new records you set and save you looking like an ass. @AreOut: Is your 41 a cheat? |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 11:23:43 PM |
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Jason K. |
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@joni: Agreed. |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 04:28:20 PM |
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Elmar |
Best expert: |
42 |
Best intermediate: |
12 (11) |
Best beginner: |
2 (1) |
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@Manu: haha, that's hilarious. How big is your hometown and what's the occasion? Any chance they might name a street after you some day? ![]() @Zhang: I assume Damien changed the rules to not accept 1 3bv boards anymore. Since I never bothered to get another 1 I guess I got downgraded to 2.06. Damien often moves in mysterious ways. I hope he did this to be more consistent with the IMC rules and maybe one day he will even remove Matt's 10. ![]() |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 03:27:05 PM |
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joni |
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Kamil... it might be that it's late and I'm tired but it's getting more and more irritating to read your posts. All you do is to keep bragging and never pay attention to anything other people say. Could you please open your eyes? This might come as a shock to you but: * You might think the only reason to play a game is to get a world record, but it doesn't mean everybody does so (ever heard of "just for fun"?). * You might know a handful of patterns, but it doesn't mean there don't exist more... * You might think int is the best mode there is, but it doesn't mean everybody feels so... (i do admire Lukasz!) * You might prefer boards under 150, but it doesn't mean everybody does so... (ever heard of flaggers?) * You might think it's cool to just talk shi.t about everybody else, but it doesn't mean everybody appreciates it. * You might think you are the center of the world, but it doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks so... So, once you've recovered from the shock, can you try to read over once what you have written, before you actually hit the post button? thank you |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 03:23:00 PM |
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tK |
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OK, I posted this on minesweeper.cc already but I will repost it here so that everyone reads it: 1) Why does IMC exist: a) To run tournaments: definetly. b) To run the world ranking only: c) To run all rankings: (b and c): I think we should run a world ranking and certify other rankings. d) To make rules definetly. e) To write a history of the game Not really, I think everyone can do that, we can work on it but I think its not (only) our job. f) To make a perfect clone Nope, but we need to be specific about what a perfect clone is and exercise more control (I would like the IMC to have access to the source under an NDA). g) To investigate people we think are cheating As far as we can over the internet, definetly. I think we should be able to ask players to submit videos from other clones to prove that they aren't just using a vulnerability in one of them (which a reason I think that having many clones is actually imperative if we have a standardized format that can be played by all. If this is the case, everyone only needs to have one clone, for video integrity validation purposes every clone should be accesible by at least two IMC members.) h) To talk to Microsoft Yes, and other possible sponsors/organizations that could be interested in us (like guinness). i) To be in charge about everything minesweeper everything that needs to be organized/official. j) Other reasons ? in general coordination/organization/representation. I'm probably forgetting sth here, more if I can think of it. 2) If the IMC only does one thing, what should it be? maintain validated ranking(s). 3) What makes you the most angry about the IMC? That we live in a parallel universe to the rest of the community, our lack of transparency and the fact that we are ATM not clearly organized/assigned to tasks. So, I absolutely agree with WP @ nr3. While the argument that we should be able to speak freely without having to be concerned about our popularity remains valid, especially when we decide controversial issues like cheating, I am not at all pleased with us operating in secret like this. I think that we should communicate with the community a lot more, we need to be able to discuss things secretly of course but we also need to be a lot more open. It just doesn't fit our community. I love being in the IMC, but I feel detached in a way because I'm simply not allowed to talk about some things in public, which I'd love to do because I value the opinions of some non-IMC-members very highly and would love to have them in on some decisions or at least discussions, because I don't think that the inability to commit oneself to the community for a whole year as IMC members do disqualifies anyone from contributing when he wants to/has ideas. We are killing potential by making the only way to participate being a full-time member. Which doesn't sound like a lot, but in fact means sacrificing quite a bit of free time. Who has that time to spare for minesweeper? I hardly do. I'm not done, there is more that I want to post here, and I will tomorrow. |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 02:52:07 PM |
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AreOut |
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"I forgot: about 1 week ago I was bored of playing, so I downloaded 1 of guestbooks, and read than Stevan was caught on cheating Its also 1 reason why I think he cheats" Thats what they tought too ![]() |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 12:54:59 PM |
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Name: |
fritz |
Best expert: |
51,61===>51,31 (both arbiter) |
Best intermediate: |
15,88 (15,64 on vienna sweeper) |
Best beginner: |
1,79 (1,76 on vienna sweeper) |
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51,31sec on 3BV=129 @ 2,56 3BV/s ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() at about 45sec i looked at the timer and knew it would be a good sub60, but i'm still not as close to sub50 as i want to be. i felt like getting a better exp score for at least the last whole week and now i got it. i hoped to improve 1 integer second but 0.3sec is better than nothing. |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 12:16:15 PM |
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WP |
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To reply to Damien's questions, I'd say b, d, and g for the 1st one. The main reason is to have ONE world ranking, and rules to go with it (these rules might not apply for rankings elsewhere) and of course, to keep the ranking as accurate as possible, possible cheats would have to be investigated. 2) the answer's above: world ranking 3) What makes me the most angry about the IMC? It's that we have no idea what you're doing. The IMC is like a closed, secret council; it's like we shooed the members away from the community just by electing them. I agree with Joni that the IMC has tried to take on too much responsibility. I think the IMC should only be "used" if and when there is an issue that we can't talk over and find a decision among us all. (like the 3bv limit issue) In that case there'll be a vote where only IMC members' votes count. (and if you ask "why not let everyone in the community vote?", it's because we won't get "everyone", we'd only get those who happen to be active at that time) |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 11:18:27 AM |
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KAmil |
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I forgot: about 1 week ago I was bored of playing, so I downloaded 1 of guestbooks, and read than Stevan was caught on cheating ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 11:16:16 AM |
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KAmil |
Best intermediate: |
NF 4,974 |
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Just made my 3rd sup4,9 NF: 76 3BV in 16,36 @ 4,91. Played on winminexp (I want to get 1 more Dreamboard ![]() @Ronny: u arent BETTER in BHD than me, u only just have better ping (Poland internet sucks). I also used to pwn until Nova turned Frontline servers off ![]() |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 11:02:58 AM |
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Ronny |
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@Kamil: I don't see it either. If you look at the mouse pad, the flag efficiency and response times it would take years to create a solver that would be so human like. Also there isn't any clue of pre-knowlegde about the board, cause you can clearly see he's always busy solving more than one pattern at the time to never have to wait on the outcome of a click and he is never faster than humanly possible when he does have to wait for an outcome of a click. Also there's no point in cheating to get a handful of seconds faster, when you're already such a great sweeper as Steven. Remember Kamil, in the other game that we play (Delta force BHD), it might be normal that people accuse everyone of cheating that can do something better as yourself.....in this community it is more appreciated if you discuss suspicions privately with IMC members and not do it in public. (In BHD you can keep accusing clean people, because otherwise you would not even have known me, remember. ![]() |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 10:19:43 AM |
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KAmil |
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Japanese Minesweeper sucks, I solved int board in 11 but of course my score wasnt saved ![]() |
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Apr 3rd 2008 at 10:03:10 AM |
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KAmil |
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@All: Watch any of Dion's sub40. Overall speed was great, but at least 1 time he had to think a bit longer. Now watch Stevan's 41 on 166. Notice, that he doesnt have to think any time. Notice, that on 38th and 39th second, his moves are unhuman fast. He got it on Arbiter (what on cheaters exist). Now watch his 12 on Clone, compare the speed Clone =no cheaters = slow ![]() Of course if Damien believes to him, I also will, but top5 players should watch the vid and say they opinion. |
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