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Sep 21st 2008 at 03:59:11 PM |
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Ronny |
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Somehow I feel a Kamil@Damien post coming about 2 missing NF 3BVs WR's on the website of 7.14 beginner and 3.743 expert. ![]() |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 03:53:51 PM |
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fritz |
Best expert: |
45,23 |
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/me exp game --> Time: 51,72 «» Est. Time: 51,72 «» 3BV: 133 (133) «» 3BV/s: 2,62 «» Ranks: 20 / 1248 of 2694 / 76,50% «» RQP: 19,73 :/) i know, i know, i said about 2 months ago that i retired, but now summer holidays are over and as always i start to play more computer games. and now i got 55, 52 and this 51 on arbiter in less than 1 hour (my completition rate isn't that bad that i can't complete more than only 3 boards in this time but i have forced restart by timer setting switched on (64s) and i lost about 5 games on that.) well, i'd say i'm back! @all vienna tournament participants: i hope you all had a nice time. i really would have loved to be there but summer holidays ended 1 week too early ![]() @nikolaj and tk: congratulations on winning the tournaments (@niko: for about 1 hour i was the happiest participant in the online nono tournament and then you "ugly bearded sweeper" had to overtake me...) @all people arguing and reporting about tourny system: would you mind finishing your discussion soon. all the long comments are really tiring to read |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 03:07:16 PM |
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tK |
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I would like to defend christoph regarding the system, it worked perfectly when we tested it during the austrian championships, and when we tested it with a couple of people - not all the players but I think we were 7 - it also worked fine. |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 02:20:00 PM |
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damien |
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website updated ... i finally finished transferring everything to my new computer (and finding up-to-date hacked office software hehe) if any of you guys from the tournamet write about it, i will be happy to put it on the site. i wish i could have been there. edu - would have been cool to finally meet you! and kamil, and jon and all the 'regulars'. i have only played 3 or 4 times since July, but i really want to start again when i get time. congrats to tommy for the win, and kamil for the old-school win! as for Rob&Nik - they both know i don't give s*** about nonosweeper because i suck! ![]() |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 01:03:01 PM |
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joni |
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It's always nice to read the testimonials from people partecipating in tourneys. It's a pity I didn't have the possibility to show up too and spend some time with you this time around. I hope especially you KAmil did enjoy your time in Vienna -- since this was your first tourney -- and did take the chance to chat and do other activities with fellow sweepers ![]() On the other hand, it's sad to hear about the software problems. Last year in Budapest it was only the online scores that were affected, this time there appear to have been more serious crashes... Christoph and Gergely deserve all the praise in the world for managing to organize these events, but Christoph also deserves to be blamed in this case. I assume he takes too many things upon himself and in the end runs out of time and doesn't manage to do a thorough testing and debugging of his software... When that abstract entity called IMC gave Christopher the honor to call Vienna a World Championship (another utmostly abstract term) it implicitly put him in front of some responsibilities too. To mention one: in a tournament you need a way of keeping track of the scores of the players. It has to be something that actually works and you have several months to come up with/implement it. If you know you are busy and have little time, then do something really simple (ex. in the current format, the program might write a text file at the end of one "session" and one can manually insert these logs into some kind of table during the pause between sessions). If you want to do some distributed client/server architecture app that does that stuff in real-time and even shows the results online instead you are welcome to do so BUT you are responsible for finding the time for doing it right! It would then be unacceptable if come tourney time you only have a half-baked solution. Furthermore KAmil is complaining about the communication... and it looks like he has a point there. That said, I congratulate the winners Tommy and Nikolaj ![]() I am expecting the official results to appear sometime soon in order to try to finally figure-out this d.amn format, for which I expressed my dislike from day one (and btw I think the side event did simply add to the confusion and is quite meaningless as different players were playing for totally things all the time...) all the best! joni |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 09:14:15 AM |
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KAmil |
Best intermediate: |
10x15 -> x16 |
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Sorry, I forgot: Arbiter: 10,73 NF on 36. Total suckage, I could 9 it ![]() |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 09:08:35 AM |
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KAmil |
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Ronny posted when I was riting my previous post, but I agree: I disunderstood the system: 1: "For the Completion ranking only the Trial-score from the latest played session counts" I thougth, that only last time trial counts, in all other sessions I have to finish the time trial and only then games count (i was asking on guestbook if all single games from time trial counts for 2 times, nobody answered), if I knew that games from all time trial count, I would play play trials better. 2: "For the Beg, Int and Exp ranking the best 5 scores from the so far played sessions count " this is written "sessions" - I thought that if I get the best times on Beg and Int in the beginning, then I should focus only on Exp. 3. Session rules: it says, that the session starts with a trial, and then u can play what ever u want. But it doesnt say, that session time = 999s. I was asking how long are the session, but of course nobody wrote: 999s. With tournament rules what I understood, my play was something like that: win 2x5 on beg, 5 sub15 on Int, and Exp to the end. If I knew that I have to win 5 exp boards (to get more points than others), maybe I would practise completion a bit more. |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 08:47:55 AM |
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KAmil |
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@Nagy: I dont regret #9 place, because, as I told, only the speed, not completion is important for me, and in this cattegory I won ![]() @Thomas: I dont blame u about bad times, I blame the system for forcing u and all to play slow ![]() |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 08:25:26 AM |
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Ronny |
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@tK: Don't get me wrong. I wasn't trying to say you didn't deserve to win or you weren't the best sweeper at Vienna, you most definitely deserved to win. Even in the concept that I proposed myself by playing like 'minesweerperlive.com' I'm 100% sure you would still have won, because the gap between you and Kamil is small enough to beat him on the 3sec penalties and you are simply faster than all the rest. I just don't like a complex systems that isn't easy to understand (I still don't understand it, tbh) and don't result in comparable results like average or best times. @Gergely: Don't be so bitter that not everyone agrees with this completely new point system. Changes simply never pass by silently. Comparing the winner of the new point system with the old 5 5 system feels like comparing the best 10K runner with the best 100m sprinter. Both achievements are equally impressive in my point of view. Also you can't say KAmil hasn't trained for this new system (I know because he informed me about his training practices many weeks). He also repeatedly asked various people here to explain the point system to him, because it was simply very unclear (I've read the rules myself about 5 times and I still don't understand them, while my English is much better than his). As far as I know KAmil was convinced that being 1st in beginner and intermediate during the first sessions with give him enough points to solve the expert boards in the later sessions. Seemingly he didn't understand the system well enough that it would be impossible to make up the lost points because of the completion points and 999 penalties. So I understand his disappointments about the new system and the way it has been explained. |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 07:06:27 AM |
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Gergely Nagy |
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"almost" is "always", of course... |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 07:05:08 AM |
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Name: |
Gergely Nagy |
Best expert: |
58 |
Best intermediate: |
16 - yesterday :) |
Best beginner: |
2 |
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Big congrats to all the sweepers participating in this year's Minesweeper World Championship in Vienna ![]() ![]() It's almost nice to meet with other sweepers, old faces and new ones included ![]() There were some very good performances this year including the NFers who took part and got quite nice results despite the fact that the time trial is a disadvantage for them - and I see Kamil filed his complaint already... I'm sad to see his bitterness over his 9th place... But c'mon, if you can finish 4 expert games during that very same period (999 sec) just after you dropped out of the main event, it means you are able to finish at least 2 for the time trial. So don't talk about silly things like the sideevent is worth more than the main event, because you knew what was waiting for you and you could have trained for that. It seems like you didn't really give it a single thought - I know you are smarter than that. I almost regret giving you any prizes... 'Nuff said However, on the positive note: I was fourth yesterday and I'm happy for that. I think I did my best with 63 and 64 on expert and a new personal record of 16 on intermediate. The trials didn't always produce nice boards for me, but it's still a good result. ![]() (and I beat everyone in bowling afterwards ![]() |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 06:03:50 AM |
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Eduard |
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Hi all, very very very long time since my last post :) Also very long time I didn't play minesweeper seriously, but I came back for the World Cup :) Must say the Vienna World Cup 2008 was great :) Have had a wonderful time with all the sweepers here and would have liked to meet more of you (maybe Budapest 2009 ;)). I was 11 in main event and 8 in side event, got a 65 (NF, of course), and even got a 16 on int (session 2, didn't count :( ), so I'm quite proud of myself (after so long time "retired") :) About pointing system must say still haven't completely understood :D the 5x5 system is easier to understand and gives more "points" for good times, and also penalizes the uncompleted games (at least you must complete 5 of each). But I agree playing a session of 6-8 hours, just for getting the 5 best times, is really boring and exhausting. Time trial made it more interesting :) Also for the followers through Internet (while live updates worked :D) I liked the idea of competing in a similar way to minesweeperlive. I really like the minesweeperlive because it gives same board with same starting opening to both players and because all games can be finished without guessing, so it's really more fair. Playing all against all would be great but maybe it's hard to implement and probably would have problems with too many players, but if it can be done I vote for it :) 2 against 2 through the site could also be an option... less fair but well, it's the same as Football World Cups... if you get Thommy in first round bad luck :D Well, nothing else from Vienna :) Greetings and thanks for organizing this :) |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 06:00:26 AM |
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Jon S |
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@KAmil: It's a Logitech optical mouse or something. It's pretty old, and the right mouse button is very slow. If I had been a flagger, that mouse would have been totally useless ![]() I was a little disappointed with my achievements in the championship. I tried to play for the main event at first, so I played a little slower than usual to avoid blasting as many games as usual . I think I had three good sessions and three bad sessions, and two of the good ones got cancelled ![]() With such a bad start, I was just too far behind to catch up, even if I won a time trial in the end. After I got knocked out, I was probably a little tired and not really motivated. I think I played horrible in the last two sessions, but managed to get a 16 on 44 3BV. If I had been in good shape, I think I might have finished that board in 14 seconds. I've looked through some of my videos, and had a 3,5 3BV/s game on intermediate. That's way slower than my best games from the last few days before I went to Vienna. Maybe I will be forced to come to Budapest next year and try to make a better figure there. I don't know. Maybe I'm just not such a good tournament player, but I hope to see you guys again sometime soon ![]() |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 05:53:22 AM |
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tK |
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@Kamil, I use a logitech optical mouse (the one I won in budapest last year). I can still say that I was second fastest, that I am world champion, and winning 4-5 expert games in 799 secs (because you usually need at the verty least 200 for beg/int) under pressure isn't that easy. about speed, I am usually a faster player. But I adapted my style to perform well in the main event. Had the session been a 3h 5 5 session, I would have been disappointed not to get a sub50 or two, as well as times very low in the 50es, or, ideally, more sub50es. I almost sub50ed in budapest (i lost one very close to the end, and I'm pretty sure that was forced guess), and I've improved since then. Also, you dropped out, so you didn't have the time trial as a primary objective those sessions. I didn't have the chance to really concentrate on getting a sub50. So much for your complaints about my bad scores. You would still have beaten me with that system, as I'm sure, but the distance wouldn't have been as large. And we didn't play 3h 5 5, but the session/time trial system, so I would say that I won it fair and square. @ the examples: Player1: 5*15, 5*60 Player2: 5*13, 4*60, 1*60,01 OK. Granted. And now we add Player3: Player3: 5*14, exp irrelevant Now Player2s advantage is slightly diminished. Enter Player42 and player1337. They also get 14*5. Now player1 loses a lot of points, definetly more than player2 lost because of the 0,01 sec difference. Also, player2 can now concentrate on exp more because his int rank is much more secured. And he will probably get a 60 (or a sub60), if he is really better - on expert. Which is what the expert points are awarded for. Anyway, 5 5 has similar weaknesses. p1:50*10 p2:49*5,60*5 just for example. I'm inclined to think that pretty much any tournament system has a ****load of weaknesses of the sort. And I would also like to add that if I hadn't been faster than the rest most of the time during the sessions, I would have had a much harder time. So my speed was important. @Ronny: From my experience the first round has far less impact on the rest of the tournament than you'd think (and I would probably think had I not played it), my first session was horrible, I only just finished the time trial after more than 900 secs, and that didn't do any significant harm later. It may be that that session is more important than the others, but not that extreme. Also, yes, the first session is also about who gets the most exp games, but I don't see why that is bad. Completion can be trained too, it's a skill just like speed imo. And thanks for the congrats! And lastly, if present, I apologise for my lack of modesty in this post. |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 05:29:07 AM |
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Ronny |
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@Kamil and Christoph: First of all, I would like to say that it's a good thing to try to make a tournament more interesting for the public. After all, watching all players do 1 session of like 6-8 hours (or longer) is simply boring....I think we all agree on that. I've watched the development of the first sessions till the live updates failed to see how the point system worked out. To me I got the impression that as long as player hadn't solved 5 5, the players ranking was completely based on it's number of completed boards. (these players lost points for completion AND they lost points for speed due to the 999s rule). Basically these first sessions of double points for the best completion player seemed to create an impossible gap for players that had trouble with solving 5 plus 5 quickly. In theory with the current point system it would be possible that 1 player breaks 10 WR's on the tournament and still not be crowned the winner, because the exact time differences are not counted (It doesn't matter if the average times of #1 are 10s or 0,1s faster than #2). I understand it's a little soon to talk about the system of next championship, but I would recommend searching for a system that results in 'times' not 'points' for the simple fact that every outsider that ever played minesweeper will understand '60s' is amazing, but not that '5123 points' was better. Also the double reward for completion as long a player hasn't solved 5 5 will has to be rescaled somehow, in my point of view. I've thought long about how a tournament can be made interesting and more fair at the same time. The closest thing I could come up with was a system that looks like the online version @ minesweeperlive.com. That system would mean: - Every player playing the exact same boards (starting with the same opening) - Penalty seconds for every mistake - Drop out system for the player that solved the same x boards the slowest If balanced correctly, a system like that would in the end result in the best sweepers to be ranked highest, because both speed and completion (not making mistakes) are being rewarded. Also what's important for the public is you will still have 'time averages' in the end results that everyone can compare with their own personal times. I understand that such a system would require a new minesweeper version to be developed that can handle such a tournament style, but if implemented correctly, I think it would be fun, fair and interesting to watch. ![]() |
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Sep 21st 2008 at 03:41:07 AM |
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KAmil |
Best expert: |
probably |
Best intermediate: |
my longest post ever |
Best beginner: |
is coming :D |
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Int the 1st of all, I want to congratulate to all winners of maint event ![]() ![]() Then, Im sorry for my poor English ![]() ![]() @Christoph: Im not blaming u for trying to make tournaments more interesting, but I will prove u that point system is much worse than 5 5: Notice, that all the rankings (ms.info, ms.ru, p-m.com, saolei and japanese) rank players watching only on their time records. Players tend to play fast, not to win a lot of exp games. Point system is based on winning a lot of exp boards. And Im not blaming Thomas for getting a cup, what I think should be mine, I only want to show the absurd of a point system: Ive made 9 sub14 (12 and 13x2 during tournamnt, and 12x3 13x3 before or after), made 49, 51, 53, and Im ranked #9. And Tommy who probably didnt got any sub15, any sub50 has the title of World Champion, because he solved more exp boards than me. Of course everybody can have another opinion, but I will always believe that only goot time scores are important. ![]() Now I will show 3 examples showing that Point system doesnt have only bad target, but also its less fair than 5 5: Imagine, that these are only 2 good players on a tournament, and they got scores like these: Example 1. Player 1: 15x5, 60,00 x5 ; Player 2: 13x5, 60,00 x4 and 60,01 x1 Player 1 is obviously better, but player 2 gets more points. In 5 5 Player 1 (better) would win. Example 2: Player 1: 60x5 in 1st session, 60x5 in 2ns session ; Player 2: 60x4 in 1st session, 60x6 in 2nd session. Both players won the same amount of games with the same time in the same time, but player 1 gets more points (only top5 counts) In 5 5 The would be in the same place. Example 3: Player 1: 3 Exp boards won in 1st session, 8 in 2nd ; Player 2: 4 boards in 1st session, 4 in 2nd. Player 1 wins more games, but they get the same ammount of points. If played 5 5, Player 1 would probably had better score, because of more games won. I think, that the best solution, would be tournaments 5 5 for 3 hours, and Completion for 30-60 minutes in the end ( based on winning most exp or int games). Next thing: as I promised, Ive made sub50NF and sub13, but I believe I could get sub12. I fall asleep @ about 02:30, then had to get up @ 6:30, then 5 hours travel to Vienna I was ill (was coughing). If I played being not tired, I would get sub12 or sub48 for sure ![]() @Christoph: thanks for u and for other for organizing the tournament ![]() @Ronny: I won 2 exp boards and 13 on int in the 2nd session, but the system crushed and it didnt count ![]() @Tommy, Gergo: nice hair, I had almost as long as u, but I cut them - I didnt like the colour ![]() @Manu, Damien, Lukasz, Rogen: I hope u will come for the next tournamnt ![]() And the last thing: people won up to 5000$ on Rubik's cube tournaments ![]() ![]() btw, @Jon S, Thomas: what mouses do u use? |
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Sep 20th 2008 at 07:16:41 PM |
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Ronny |
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Thanks for the update. Congrats to Thomas for winning the point system and therefor being the best all-round. Really amazing how much boards you can solve in very limited time and still manage to get sub60s. ![]() Congrats to KAmil for winning the 5 5. I'd seen that you'd solved 0 exp. boards after 4 sessions. So I'm glad to see you've managed to solve enough boards and win the classic 5exp 5int event. ![]() (I'm glad I didn't participated myself, because I would probably solve only 1 exp. board during the whole event, so I'd have ended last in the point system and the 5 5 for not being able to 5 exp board in a day. I just fail at completion, so I'm glad the world ranking doesn't have a time limit or else I wouldn't even be listed. ![]() And congrats to Rob-"Nono"-Farnik ![]() |
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Sep 20th 2008 at 03:05:05 PM |
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Eva |
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Detailed results will come online tomorrow, but to not let you wait too much: Minesweeper (main event) 1. Tommy 2.. Reid 3. Christoph Winner of the side event: Kamil Nonosweeper: 1. Robert 2. Jan 3. Klara |
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Sep 20th 2008 at 10:41:01 AM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
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@tk: Ah ok, was already wondering why the stats frooze at session 5. Good luck every at vienna @kamil: very nice ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 20th 2008 at 09:27:41 AM |
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tK |
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Yes, we are having software problems, the tourny manager crashes if you play more than one session in a row, so we're restarting the system for every round and then manually calculating stats in an excel sheet ![]() |
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Sep 20th 2008 at 09:20:45 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Comments: |
Ive just made the 1st tournamnt sub50N:F 49 ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 20th 2008 at 07:34:42 AM |
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Name: |
Elmar |
Comments: |
Nevermind the post below. I should've scrolled down a bit. ![]() Anyways, the live score do not seem to be working properly. All you can see is bits of session1 and session 2. |
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Sep 20th 2008 at 04:22:28 AM |
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Name: |
Elmar |
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Would be interesting to know what the goal of the diferenet sessions is... |
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Sep 20th 2008 at 03:30:18 AM |
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Name: |
Eva |
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At minesweeper.cc you can find the link to watch the results of the Vienna Minesweeper Championship live. |
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Sep 19th 2008 at 06:15:42 PM |
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Name: |
Omar |
Best expert: |
67 |
Best intermediate: |
17 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
Comments: |
Hi I just want to wish good luck to all Minesweeper players for the vienna tournament ![]() |
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Sep 19th 2008 at 01:27:00 PM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Comments: |
@fritz: I solved 1 board on squaro and got bored of it ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 19th 2008 at 11:30:30 AM |
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Name: |
fritz |
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@daniel: biiig grats ![]() @kamil: it was my 7th best int 3BV/s all time - and i wasn't even playing with the intention to play fast. all i wanted was to see if i can still complete some int boards in a row. btw.do you actually play some squaro too? |
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Sep 19th 2008 at 08:38:35 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
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@Daniel: I had the same problem - some avf videos just dont want to open ![]() @All: its 4h 38 minutes when nonosweeper tournament should start, why no scores posted yet? |
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Sep 19th 2008 at 08:03:29 AM |
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Name: |
daniel |
Comments: |
just broke the minute-barrier...58 on expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() one big goal for this semester break is achieved, 3bvs score is missing...but i hope its just a matter of time ![]() vid linked can somebody tell me why i cannot open any arbiterfile i download from the player videos, even my own? it always gievs me the information that the file is corrupted. only the vids i played and saved on my pc are able to be opened ![]() |
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Sep 19th 2008 at 06:42:24 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
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Can somebody give a link to see Tomorrow's scores online? ![]() @Fritz: on arbiter I solved 30 boards with avg time 15 and av 3bv 4,2xx ![]() today blasted 131/132 @ 45NF (couldnt find last square) @Christoph: I ask again: will the scores from time trial count to sideevent 5 5? |
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Sep 18th 2008 at 01:14:00 PM |
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Name: |
fritz |
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wow! a sup4 on int out of nowhere! 79 3BV in 20.094s @ 4.137 3BV/s with 6.3 cl/s (clone) my 7th int sup4 and my 1st one on clone. @kamil: c'mon, that est 36 must have been a horrible slow int game ![]() |
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Sep 18th 2008 at 05:34:53 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
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90/118 est 36 ![]() |
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Sep 18th 2008 at 04:57:54 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Best intermediate: |
FL 12x5 or 6 -> 10,18 |
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Arbiter: 10,18 FL on 42 3BV, 7 openings ![]() @Gergo: Im arriving to Veinna @ about 12 o'clock, then play in tournament, and go home the same day ![]() |
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Sep 18th 2008 at 02:10:13 AM |
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Name: |
GergA? |
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@Kamil: I don't know why your Clone does not work, but my Clone is not perfect, either. I can not watch my specified statistics... BTW, when will you arrive to Vienna? If I am not mistaken you will be also there, as well. ![]() |
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Sep 17th 2008 at 10:11:35 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
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@Manu: u could post it in guestbook instead of writing email ![]() @all: why my Clone doesnt workd @ school? ![]() |
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Sep 17th 2008 at 09:23:12 AM |
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manuel |
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i just wanted to tell u, that u should post ur daily achievements at the end of the day instead of 4 posts in a row ... :P ( i have an exam next monday and tuesday, i will write after it...) mfg |
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Sep 17th 2008 at 09:01:02 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
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@Manu: 9 days ago u wanted my email, why, if u didnt send me anything? ![]() |
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Sep 17th 2008 at 07:46:39 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Best beginner: |
1x25 |
Comments: |
I forgot: I also made 46 FL and 1x25 today ![]() |
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Sep 17th 2008 at 06:06:54 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Comments: |
Just made my 7th sup5 (5,179) on 75, and 11NF on 49 today I made: 11x2, sup4,9NFx2, sup5,1FLx2 ![]() |
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Sep 17th 2008 at 05:52:05 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
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Arbiter: 68 3BV in 13,79 @ 5,316, 6th sup5 ![]() Also made my 2nd 11NF on 53 and 19 on 90 ( bot sup4,9 3bvs NF) |
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Sep 17th 2008 at 04:04:59 AM |
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Name: |
erik midtbank |
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Thanks Gergely! I have a friend who recently moved to Budapest and I was thinking of visiting him in April. Seems to be good timing. Would have been fun to participate although I'm not much of a minesweeper... When the time comes, how does one sign up? |
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Sep 17th 2008 at 12:14:44 AM |
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Name: |
Gergely |
Comments: |
@erik: I can tell ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 16th 2008 at 03:14:49 PM |
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Name: |
erik midtbank |
Best expert: |
60 |
Best intermediate: |
18 |
Best beginner: |
1 |
Comments: |
Can someone tell if there'll be a comp in Budapest 2009? |
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Sep 16th 2008 at 02:57:12 AM |
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KAmil |
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Arbiter: 12 in 2,76NF @ 6,81 ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 15th 2008 at 11:09:25 AM |
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KAmil |
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@Damien: u also can write in News that now I have sup16 NF 3bvs sum ![]() when I made sup13 NF sum, I thougth I was the 1st in world to it, but Manu already was. When I made sup14, I never thougth I will ever have sup15 or sup16 ![]() |
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Sep 15th 2008 at 10:34:21 AM |
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KAmil |
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lol, Ive just watched my 7,14 3bvs vid and 6,96 3bvs on CLone @ home - and it looks crazily fast. But when i watched them @ school, I thought "I could be faster". thats because my clone show squares slower, and playing on clone I wouldnt be so fast ![]() btw, I will install Clone @ school, maybe ist slow only on my laptop ![]() |
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Sep 15th 2008 at 10:27:12 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Comments: |
@Ronny: I made 5,805 FL on int and 45NF on 166 on this pc (@ school) ![]() |
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Sep 15th 2008 at 07:39:27 AM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
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@KAmil: Congrats with that 1st ever sup7 NF, very well played! ![]() Did you already try intermediate/expert on that faster pc with arbiter? I believe your expert time could be a couple of seconds faster if I look at your expert 3BVs record and your new improvements on arbiter. |
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Sep 15th 2008 at 06:24:43 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Best beginner: |
NF 6,96 ------> 7,143 |
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Sep 14th 2008 at 05:49:12 PM |
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fritz |
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@all squaro players: on the french version of the squaro website there is also a tournament with 3 7x7 levels. 1st level is "easy" 2nd is "medium" and 3rd is "hard". it is called "turnoi de champions" and it is much harder than the 5x5 tourny. |
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Sep 14th 2008 at 05:10:52 PM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
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@Damien: Thanks for clearing that up. So basically it was all just storm in a glass of water. ![]() |
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Sep 14th 2008 at 11:16:48 AM |
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Name: |
damien |
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Hi guys, this letter is from Li Feng about the 'funny' clone: Sorry for such a late reply, I have been busy with my work. Being afraid that it will affect the reputation of Chinese minesweepers, I was hesitant to send you the video at first. But still, I had decided to send you the video. It proved in the end that my decision was a right one, since it has brought about positive change. From this case, I have come to know that a lot of minesweepers are showing me tolerance, understanding, and have given me positive criticism. According to my knowledge, Abiu has been keeping in touch with you and Rodrigo in the past few days, so I assume that you already know what is going on. About that video, I must first give everyone a clear explanation so as to remove the misunderstanding in which I've caused. This video was indeed made by sweeping the board over numerous times, and that is why I did not say in my email that I broke my record. 9.xx is still a target in which I have not achieved. It is a target to be realized through effort, and not any other means [...] I haven't been able to post comments on the Guestbook, so please help me get the above message through to others. Thank you! PS: I'm not good at English so all my messages have been translated by someone else. Perhaps some of the wording was too sharp, but it was not my intent. So I hope you can understand. I'm actually a very easygoing person! Sincerely, Li Feng |
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Sep 14th 2008 at 01:13:02 AM |
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KAmil |
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@... : i also hate forced guessings, but if we remove them, it wont be fair, because old players had to guess ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 13th 2008 at 05:34:06 PM |
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Elmar |
Comments: |
...on touchpad, bigshot? ![]() |
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Sep 13th 2008 at 04:18:17 PM |
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fritz |
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@elmar: 25s on grid n°354 127s total score of all squaro levels |
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Sep 13th 2008 at 04:07:43 PM |
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Name: |
fritz |
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@elmar: 30s on grid n° 336 ![]() |
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Sep 13th 2008 at 03:57:43 PM |
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fritz |
Comments: |
@elmar 34s on 5x5 evil #365 136s now on all levels together |
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Sep 13th 2008 at 03:31:58 PM |
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Name: |
fritz |
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@elmar: 70=>68=>37s on squaro 5x5 evil grid #331 my best times on the other levels: E (easy) M (medium) H (hard) Evil(evil) 3x3: E:2s M:3s 5x5: E:5s M:9s H:15s Evil:37s 7x7: E:14s M:17s H:37s 139s on all levels together |
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Sep 13th 2008 at 12:40:49 PM |
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Name: |
fritz |
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@... play msx if you want timer to start at zero. also keep the forced guesses. they're simply a part of the game. play on minesweeperlive.com if you want to play without forced guesses and without them it would differ toooooo much from the original game. @all: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 13th 2008 at 12:23:55 PM |
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Name: |
... |
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Since we expect release of new Clone, maybe it's just the time to replace timer starting at 1 with one which starts at 0. --- How do you think, is it good to keep forced guesses in MS? |
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Sep 13th 2008 at 06:03:46 AM |
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Elmarb40 |
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SquaO Evil (touchpad): 43-> 42 (#309) -> 40 (#329) -> 35 (#312) sub40 ![]() On evil it's actully a pretty cool game. The only thing that I don't like is that you see the entire boarrd from the start, as in Nono. For record purposes you should have to complet a series of boards where you're not allowed to F2 in between. ![]() |
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Sep 13th 2008 at 05:10:15 AM |
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Name: |
Elmar |
Comments: |
SquarO: Evil: 43sec on touchpad (board #312) ![]() |
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Sep 12th 2008 at 12:53:29 PM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
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@Christoph: Ive a question about time trial on tournament: do single games from it count as single games during normal playing? for example if u win 10 beg- 6-int 2-exp when 1st session starts, are your 5 best int and 5 best beg 999,99, or are they the best singles from time trial? |
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Sep 12th 2008 at 10:04:33 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Comments: |
What would u guys say about Rubik's cube tournament after MS tournament? ![]() |
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Sep 12th 2008 at 12:54:30 AM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
Comments: |
@Gergo: Congrats, that sure my final NF Int record that wasn't broken by you yet. Now only my overal Int IOS (Flagging 1.35975, 3BV=65, Time=22.541) is still to be broken by you. Good luck. ![]() |
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Sep 11th 2008 at 11:09:35 PM |
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Name: |
GergA? |
Comments: |
A great NF int record came yesterday! 17,735 on a 46 board (3. best time) with 3BV/s 2,749 (7. best) and with an IOS record of 1,35888 (prev: 1,34827) and an RQP record of 6,452 (prev: 6,928). It will be once in my NF int folder. And I made another sub 20, so I am happy now ![]() @all: a technical question: does anybody plan to arrive to Vienna on friday? If yes, does not he want to share a double room with me for two days? |
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Sep 11th 2008 at 05:18:41 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
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Ive just got my 1st int board wiht 8 - I clicked it in start clicking, but before I realized that I should save the board, I F2ed it ![]() |
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Sep 11th 2008 at 04:44:31 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Best beginner: |
NF 6,90 -> 6,965 |
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Arbiter: 14 3BV in 3,01s ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 10th 2008 at 12:14:14 PM |
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Name: |
Curtis |
Comments: |
Uh, if you actually wanted to cheat, you wouldn't change the header text... And there are indeed cases where hacking the Clone would be desirable... remember how 0.97 didn't work on all computers? (It was unusable on mine.) |
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Sep 10th 2008 at 10:45:56 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
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![]() 1. I couldnt understand y Im bad flagger, if I understand flagging technique - I play only on laptop, so and when I do a lot of clicks, everything is smeared ![]() ![]() 2. I couldnt undestand y Clone - what should be faster than winmine or msx - is slowet for me. It uses 1GB memory - My laptop has only 1 GB + I was used to record 200 fps vid during playing, so it was totally slowed down ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 10th 2008 at 09:15:16 AM |
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Name: |
Aris |
Best expert: |
58 |
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just played a great game:64.848 on 192 3bv with 3.007 3bv/s.rank 1 RQP,IOE and IOS,rank2:3bv/s!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 10th 2008 at 08:08:40 AM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
Comments: |
@fritz: Congrats, very nice. ![]() |
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Sep 10th 2008 at 07:21:59 AM |
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Name: |
fritz löhr |
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@squaro players (again): the squaro tournament ranking has a new # 1 !!! i just finished the 3 levels in the new overall best time of 22 seconds (7s + 7s + 8s) 32 sub 30s and 2 sub 25s now but i still wanna get a sub20 |
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Sep 10th 2008 at 06:13:27 AM |
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Name: |
fritz |
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@squaro players: just got 24s!!! 7s 10s 7s....now i have the 2nd place not anymore tied with someone else and i think that i still can shave off quite some more seconds from my current best. i also got 2 times the 1st of the 3 boards solved in 5s today but then messed up the rest. anyways these 2 5s games make me confident that i can break even sub20 soon enough. @bertie: don't try to rush through the boards. play at a fast speed but try to not make any misclicks at all. also remembering some easy board can help to improve a lot |
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Sep 10th 2008 at 05:52:22 AM |
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Name: |
fritz |
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@ronny: i agree 100% with your last 2 posts, but it seems to me that this 9s on int wasn't ever claimed as any record. from what i can conclude from abiu's messages to me he only wanted to show that there is this bug in that version of clone. the part about the 9sec game is done for me with that. @rodrigo: my opinion: -about the 9s game: wasn't intended as a real score but only to show that there is this bug what means that there isn't even a need to call it invalid - i'd consider it just as a game in upk or cheat mode. so i say that manu has still good chances to be the 1st to get a validub10. -about the funny mode: it isn't a different version, it is a hacked version as you said and like ronny said it can't be accepted for highscores. but also i find it important that it wasn't hacked with the intention to cheat or to harm your feelings as the creator of the clone but only to show that there is this bug - didn't he also ask you for a version of clone without that bug which can also be played in china? |
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Sep 10th 2008 at 05:11:37 AM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
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@Zang: I disagree that knowing the 3BV isn't a big advantage because of the fact that many people slow down when a board looks to be a low 3BV. However, if you only play the low 3BV boards that effect will be gone very soon and you'll end up having a big advantage over others. (Especially over players like me that only solve 1 or 2 boards per day and often have to wait a month or longer for the next low 3BV board that they'll solve. Besides that, slowing down on easy boards is just a conscience choice...on intermediate I even play more aggressively instead of slowing down when I start a promising board. Also the definition of an official Minesweeper Clone is simple: "While playing, a clone may not show more information about a board than Microsoft Winmine", so even if it would only show your 3BV/s during a board it would still not be allowed as official version. |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 06:58:22 PM |
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Name: |
Zhang Shen Jia |
Comments: |
my fault , first address is 137516@qq.com |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 06:52:51 PM |
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Name: |
Zhang Shen Jia |
Comments: |
my email: 13751@qq.com / saolei@vip.qq.com ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 06:42:08 PM |
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Name: |
Rodrigo |
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@Zhang Shen Jia: could you please give me your e-mail address? I can't find it on saolei.net! ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 06:23:23 PM |
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Name: |
Zhang Shen Jia |
Best expert: |
38.82 |
Best intermediate: |
11.37 |
Best beginner: |
1.98 |
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Hello all guys, I was very busy in my job last several month, so never touch the Clone. About 3 month ago, Yuan Biao(Abiu) told me that he made a Chinese edition Clone 0.97, and send a copy to me. I try it, and find that the video that save by this version have a great lag. After he solved the problem, I put this copy to website. And never find any problem then. I know the 3BV bug early, but I think that if you know the 3BV before you start in exp mode, you will despair when you know it's a high 3BV board, and you will strained when you know it's a low 3BV board. In int mode, you will spend about 0.5-0.8 second to see the 3BV status, and increase your scores. After I know it, I doesn't use the bug anymore. Yesterday, Shi Lei post a title in our bbs, he copy some passage by Rodrigo. Then I find this is a terrible thing. I doesn't find any new cheating method in this version, but I decided to delete the version in my site at once. Last two years, I spend a lot of time and power to generalize Clone 0.97 in China, because the other version had a lot of problem (arbiter's lag,2007's poor start speed , need .NET2.0 , it have various problem in Chinese language system and it's complicated to installed, many people think it's to hard for playing a minesweeper). In the end, I want to send a advice to Rodrigo: please made a new version, it could look all version clone video, and show its version, some language mode can be choose, don't need .NET2.0 is best. |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 05:37:13 PM |
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Ronny |
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@Fritz: Knowing the 3BV before you start the game is cheating, i think anyone will agree on that (Clones may not offer advantages over the original MS game). To me this tell me that since: a) it's that simply to chance, b) it's public knowledge and c) their is no way to verify if the vids of 0.97 are legit..........than 0.97 should no longer be allowed for WR claims and in the future new players that summit personal records for the ranking, should be told to use another Clone on future claims. ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 05:34:56 PM |
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Rodrigo |
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@fritz: Actually, I would like to know first what YOU think about what you've just posted. ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 05:21:38 PM |
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Name: |
fritz |
Best expert: |
45,23 @bertie: :P |
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@all: i've been chatting with a chinese guy called "abiu yuen" in the last hour and i think he told me sth very important about the whole funny mode issue: after i made my 1st post @ rodrigo he messaged me on facebook to tell me that he agrees with my points and because he once has post on the minesweeper fan page on fb a spam where he only told he was from china i asked him if he knows more about the funny mode. his reply: "This is a BUG of 0.97 but I don't know if the BUG also in Clone 2007. Just change the clone's ini files minesweeperclone.inf Show 3BV Stats = After End -->Before Start Then you can see the 3bv after your first click. If not the 3bv you like,JUST press F2! I knew this just from 6,2008, but I think this BUG other knew may over 2 years,so the "funny" video is valid, but method of getting 3bv is invalid. So let Rodrigo fix it and update his Clone to the minesweeper World, of cacuse include China." this part of another message he just sent me explains a lot if not even everything "So I think to tell sth to Rodrigo and others, insert funny strings to the video. If i want to cheat, "funny" text is unnecessary!" it also looks like this is known in the chinese minesweeper community too "I say this words in my community yesterday." what do you guys think about this? i think this makes sense. |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 05:08:21 PM |
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Name: |
Bertie |
Best expert: |
46.81 - I just love being able to put that in here :)) |
Best beginner: |
2.03 - and am really begining to dispise this rational number!!! |
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Congrats to Aris!!!! fritz you make me sick and depressed!!! *Memo to self: Don't spread word of new exciting game requiring pattern recognition and fast clicking in the minesweeper community, unless number one spot in aforementioned games rankings has been reached!* On the 9sec debacle: I totally agree with rodrigo and micheal. This time should quite simply be thrown out the window (not saying Li Feng claimed it)!!! By the time we get our hands on a version of this hack (of which there could be many, taylored to your taste) "funny mode" will be nothing more harmefull than changing the smiley face to a blue spotted laughing face!!! @KAmil, manu & Dion: Somebody please get a legit sub10!!! |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 04:53:29 PM |
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fritz |
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@rodrigo: i know and never disagreed that it is wrong, but my opinion is that this isn't enough to make it invalid. |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 04:48:11 PM |
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Name: |
Rodrigo |
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Sorry fritz, but this doesn't make sense. A hacked version of a clone should not be accepted, even if it does not allow cheating. Let's suppose, for example, that the only change the hacker guy did to Clone 0.97 was to change the header string of video files. Only that. Nothing else. This is enough to make this hacked version unacceptable. Come on, hacking a program without the consent of the author is wrong! And promoting this program to the level of "valid" is even more wrong. |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 04:06:01 PM |
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Name: |
fritz |
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" No matter what criteria it fullfills." i totally disagree with you at this point, rodrigo. my points is that as long as it isn't sure what this hacked version does we shouldn't call it neither valid nor invalid. when we know more there will still be enough time to declare it valid or invalid. " Remember it is a HACKED version of a software. It is not another clone. The hacker guy didn't make a new clone, he hacked an existing one. " i won't doubt that! but the fact that this makes it different from the accepted clone means in my opinion that in the case that it would be not a version that allows cheating it basically could be accepted. @ronny: thx @squaro players: just got a 25s!!!!! 8 9 8, i'm 2nd in squaro now ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 03:57:49 PM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
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@Fritz: Vid looks nice. ![]() @All: I'm sorry to admit, but I HAVE SINNED ![]() Beginner 5,06-> 4,86 (#16) Intermediate: 30,00-> 27.56 (#17) Expert: -> 99,80 (#14) Sorry for sweeping....it won't happen again. ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 03:27:51 PM |
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Name: |
fritz |
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@aris: grats ![]() i got my 20th sub30 in squaro and my 1st 26 ![]() ![]() i also thought that some people would be interested in seing how i play squaro so i put a video of me playing squaro to my youtube channel. it's not an exceptionally good game - it was right the 1st game i started with screen recorder on - but 30s should be fast enough to give a demonstration of me playing squaro. |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 03:02:06 PM |
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Name: |
Rodrigo |
Comments: |
@fritz: yes, we SHOULD call this hacked version of Clone 0.97 invalid. No matter what criteria it fullfills. Remember it is a HACKED version of a software. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Because of that, michael is absolutely right. |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 01:11:23 PM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
Comments: |
@Aris: Congrats! I believe the official version is 2007, but 0.97 for PR's like yours are still definitely accepted. Besides that, I've watched the vid from your folder and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that it's simply as nice record on a 155 3BV board. ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 12:42:05 PM |
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Name: |
Aris |
Best expert: |
59--->58.68 |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 06:52:18 AM |
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Name: |
fritz |
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@dennis: that score you found is from the squaro application on facebook, which seems to run a lot slower than squaro does on the original page. i'm ewqminesweeper on the squaro ranking (already got 2x27 and 2x29 today) |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 06:40:20 AM |
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Name: |
Dennis Lütken |
Comments: |
@Fritz: As far as I can tell from the tournament ranking, your best time is 47. Am I missing something? Or did you sign up with a different name somehow? Anyway, I tried it for the first time today and I finished 3 boards in 46 seconds, so I think that's pretty okay. ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 05:55:36 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Comments: |
@Manu: Arbiter: 50/78 @ 6,82 ![]() ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 05:11:48 AM |
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Name: |
fritz |
Comments: |
@michael: but remember how it was with viennasweeper. i got my 1.76 on beg right after christoph postede about the new version and viennasweeper wasn't accepted at that time, but only some days after i got my highscore... i agree that because it was not done on an accepted version, this 9 can't be valid, but what if the altered version turns out to fulfill all criteria the other clones do... we shouldn't call it valid or invalid untill we know what this funny mode does. @all squaro players: yesterday i got 11xsub30 in half an hour: 2x27, 6x28, 3x29. about 5 of these scores were missed opportunities to get a 26..... |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 04:55:57 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Best intermediate: |
5,805 |
Comments: |
Arbiter: 12,42 FL on 58 @ 5,07, 5th sup5 ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 04:40:51 AM |
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Name: |
KAmil |
Best intermediate: |
:(((((((((((((((((( |
Comments: |
Arbiter: 12,96 NF 68/71 @ 5,68 NF, 50-50 ![]() |
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Sep 9th 2008 at 12:17:08 AM |
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Name: |
Ronny |
Comments: |
Well if I look at Damiens post, I doubt the vid was ever even intended as official WR claim by Li Feng. Especially since Li Feng is a moderator himself on Zangs website, he himself notified Damien about the existence of a hacked 0.97 clone version and no the score wasn't posted at Zang's website either. |
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Sep 8th 2008 at 07:08:23 PM |
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Name: |
Michael |
Comments: |
The issue of Li Feng's 9s game seems quite simple to me: There are a limited number of programs that can be used to create a valid score. This particular game was played on an unofficially altered version of an accepted clone, which is to say, an unaccepted clone. Therefore, the record does not stand. Am I missing something? |
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