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May 15th 2008 at 01:12:05 PM
Name:  

Alex Niswander

Best expert:  

92.895

Best intermediate:  

20.812

Best beginner:  

2.324

Comments:  

Yay! I finally got a sub 100 expert, so I figured I would have myself included in the ranking.

@Damien - I sent an email your way with the videos.

@Ronny - Happy Birthday!

   
May 15th 2008 at 12:43:26 PM
Name:  

fritz

Comments:  

/me blasted int game --> Time: 12,53 «» Est. Time: 13,33 «» 3BV: 29 (31) «» 3BV/s: 2,51 «» Ranks: 0 / 0 of 3519 / 0% «» RQP: 0

just lost a sure 13 on a 50/50 guess 2nd last square to solve

such an easy board and then....

   
May 15th 2008 at 12:34:10 PM
Name:  

fritz

Best intermediate:  

15,24 on arbiter (15x8 => 15x9)

Comments:  

/me int game --> Time: 15,85 «» Est. Time: 15,85 «» 3BV: 47 (47) «» 3BV/s: 3,16 «» Ranks: 4 / 421 of 3519 / 93,98% «» RQP: 5,01

it starts to get boring

happy b-day ronny

   
May 15th 2008 at 12:03:17 PM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

@Damien: Zhang Sheng has bad date next to int record - its 01 Feb, not 02 Jan. I remember that 1 time my date was also incorrect, so u should start writing Jan instead of 01, Feb - 02, ..., Dec - 12

   
May 15th 2008 at 11:42:10 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

Thanks....I hope can give myself a birthday record with that.

   
May 15th 2008 at 11:39:46 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

Happy birthday to u Ronny I wish u 100% 130-150 3bv boards on exp and 30-38 on int

   
May 15th 2008 at 03:36:08 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

About the IMC voting: My experience is that with a group of only about 5 people it's very much doable to demand that a decision is made unanimously. Sure there will be times were members will first disagree with each other, but if all members are just a little open minded there will always be decision possible that all members can live with. I've been a voting like this in another gaming community for years now and if you really have good arguments about an issue, it's not hard to make people agree with you AND vice versa. Just make sure you have people that are prepared to give in a little when not everyone agrees immediatly.

   
May 15th 2008 at 03:09:24 AM
Name:  

Bertie

Best expert:  

**Long

Best intermediate:  

post

Best beginner:  

alert**

Comments:  

*I linked the imc forum again for incase the previous link didn't work*

@Micheal: Nice to see some serious, no bulldust comments, thanx. Just a couple of comments on it from my side. The IMC's IRC meetings are documented, but unfortunately these logs aren't available to the public yet. This isn't because of some koo against transparency, but merely a process in progress. The discussion was still underway into how these logs were to be handeled, considering the possibilty that the public eye might influence the blatency of the member views. The rules for the handling of the IRC logs are going to form part of the statutes, where rules dictating what is to be considered sensitive enough to be edited out, will be define. (Note: I'm not speaking in an official capacity, merely stating what I understand of the situation)
At the moment christoph has distanced the IMC members from the .cc site and the logs are thus only available to him at the moment. I'm sure though that he would be more than happy to share them with anyone who asks him. On the subject of publicity: I agree with you that the IMC should try to broaden the horizons of the minesweeper world, but we should go about it the right way. This IMC's contribution to this would be one of making the grass green on this side. Okay, that was a bit metaphoric . Basically what I'm trying to say is that we need to get the community functioning well before we start adding people to it. If the community is functioning well, it's numbers will already start to increase (The UK doesn't need to invite immigratees, their strong economy is enough insentive.). Once we have a "desirable" communal setup (Note that I am promoting stability first and foremost), then we can start inviting.

Just a little observation on social structure which will bring a surprising insight into the current state of the community. Different social structures accomidate different sizes of populations (among other things i.e. economic standards). For instance: The monarchic system (having a royal family running things) worked in the 13th century, but the responsibities and brute workload accompanying the increased population of the 19th century led to a more democratic system of government. Democracy wouldn't have worked in the 13th century.
Our little minesweeper community is (for the past few years) in the midst of such a transition from one system to another. In the communities early days the mere presence in the community of "luminary figure" (the early pioneers) was enough to keep it going, but the number of people in the community has changed. This has necessitated the formation of a governing body.

My point is this. We need to finish the changeover before we start building the community.

I've gtg, so I'm gonna cut here. I'll just say one more thing. I agree with you that a vote of 3:2 is a bit inadequate, but having the whole community vote will not lead to very constructive decision making. That is a weakness of a democratic system. There is too much diagreement, the whole thing just fizzles. Perhaps we should include ten random participants in every meeting, and have them vote.

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May 14th 2008 at 04:14:43 PM
Name:  

Michael

Best expert:  

**Long post alert**

Comments:  

These are some of the things I wrote down a while ago, during Damien and Christoph's disagreement, plus a little that I wrote tonight. I'd like people's thoughts.

- ‘Live’ meetings, such as those on the IRC channel, should be abolished. It is ridiculous to think that the IMC might take itself seriously while having no documentation of its meetings. In business and professional meetings, minutes are taken. These are then typed up and a copy sent to everyone involved. As we are all in different countries, that is difficult, so I propose that everything should go through a forum or message board. Anyone can take a copy at any point, and the messages should be routinely stored but never deleted.
- No IMC member should have outside interests. That is to say, anybody who runs an independent website should not be allowed to run for election in the IMC. There is a potential conflict of interest, as I am sure we are all painfully aware of by now. I do not want those who run independent sites to be cast adrift from the IMC, in fact far from it. Damien is one of the most dedicated people we have, and I have a lot of respect for him for that very reason. This is linked to the next point:
- I believe we should pioneer a new system, whereby the IMC routinely relies upon non-IMC members to carry out important matters. Let me qualify this with an analogy: imagine the government are rebuilding an area after a bomb blast. The politicians would not lay bricks themselves, but hire other companies to each do what they are best at. The companies, of course, cannot be part of the government because there is a conflict of interest. Yet delegating duties to non-governmental parties has beneficial effects all round. In our case, obviously, no money would change hands (or be allowed to change hands). It would be based on mutual agreement and satisfaction. The system could work like this:

Let’s say that the IMC engage in a dialogue with Damien, and make an agreement with Damien, as so: Damien updates the rankings to the best of his ability, and the IMC then officially accept this as the definitive ranking. There would be no need for a ranking on the IMC site, only a link to Damien’s site. Each week, when Damien updates the ranking, he is required to send a copy of his database to a designated member (or members) of the IMC. This is part of the initial agreement. What this means is that, should Damien start to diverge from the guidelines (for instance, allowing obvious cheaters into the rankings, removing people at random, etc.) the IMC will always have an up-to-date version of the rankings on file. This can then be given to another independent party to maintain. The IMC would not be able to break the ‘contract’ at will, but would need good reason and the backing of the community. Also, it is not in the interests of Damien, or whoever updates the rankings, to allow their hard work to be copy + pasted and let someone else take over, and lose the title of 'official' rankings. As such they are much more likely to comply with IMC rules and guidelines than they would otherwise be. Of course, this is just an idea, I’d like to hear the views of others. It’s also linked to my next point:

- Everyone should get a vote on open (public) matters. To be quite honest, it's silly that important decisions can be made on the basis of a 3:2 or 4:3 majority verdict – it just isn’t a large enough sample to be decisive. The fact that the IMC is so small means that unless the outcome is unanimous then the result of a vote doesn’t mean a great deal. Allowing all registered members (ie, those already allowed to vote for IMC members) to vote on most issues means a much larger pool of opinion and a verdict more likely to please the community (who the IMC serve) and also makes people feel closer to the IMC.
- So if everyone were allowed to vote on most things, what would be the point of the IMC? Well, I think some sort of statute needs to be drawn up that each IMC member has to agree to, and some possible roles could be:
--Enhancing the reputation of minesweeper, and publicising it as an international game
--Improving the game (such as developing clones, or other software such as Christoph’s browser video idea)
--Making sure the IMC is one step ahead of cheating and solving software
--Voting on non-public discussions

I’m sure there are more, those are just off the top of my head. Personally, I like the first one. Minesweeper could be a much more recognised game, and if anyone should be publicising it, it’s the IMC. As I’ve mentioned before, it sounds much better when writing to record books and so on if you can say that you represent an organisation.

   
May 14th 2008 at 03:40:56 PM
Name:  

fritz

Best intermediate:  

15,24 on arbiter (15x7 => 15x8)

Comments:  

/me int game --> Time: 15,96 «» Est. Time: 15,96 «» 3BV: 46 (46) «» 3BV/s: 3,07 «» Ranks: 7 / 578 of 3504 / 91,68% «» RQP: 5,19 ;)

aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!!

my hand trembled at 14.2 so i had to wait in order not to blast the board. sooooooooo annoyed of int.

anyways, today was a good day for exp. i finished 20 games with avg. of 62 and 6xsub60 (52 and 55 included)

@wp: i'll think of sth over night. where can i show my thoughts and ideas then?

@daniel: cool that you're back. i managed to beat your int score by 0.01sec . now i'm waiting for your answer

   
May 14th 2008 at 02:28:12 PM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

Good to see some action again from the IMC....link doesn't seem to be working though.

   
May 14th 2008 at 01:42:51 PM
Name:  

WP

Best expert:  

IMC forum and statutes

Comments:  

Hi everyone,

I know that the IMC has been quiet for some time, we (Thomas, more precisely) have set up a forum where we hope to hold most of our future discussions. At the moment, we would like your input on writing the IMC statutes. The first draft has been posted on the forum.

I have a request about the forum usage, for now and in the future: Please, use your common sense and post in the right areas; it will save us a lot of headaches in the future. :)

The website link goes to the forum. The official forums are locked until the statutes are agreed upon.

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May 14th 2008 at 10:00:19 AM
Name:  

daniel

Comments:  

after a break of about 10 days, i finished yesterday one game and tried some flaging today: the second game i finished was a new 3bvs (and ios,rqp) highscore: 2,79 (196 in 71s)
quite strange this thomas-storm-vid
also his quite high int time - think with a 45 on exp it should be lower

   
May 14th 2008 at 04:22:22 AM
Name:  

Gergő

Comments:  

@Tibor: Grats a lot! I'm only at sup 8,6....
@Kamil: Great result! I can not imagine that you will ever retire . Your results are too good to do so... And about your death metal band. What kind of deat metal do you play? Do you have tracks to listen? I'm curious. My doom metal band is 3 months old (but we don't have a drummer yet...) and we try to do concerts next summer.
@all: I made my fourth best on int! It is the fifth sub 20. A 18,89 on a 40 board. I have already 143 sub 25 on NF int.
@Ronny: Never give up! There are always bad periods. Mostly after these periods comes a great record, so just keep playing

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May 13th 2008 at 02:03:25 PM
Name:  

joni

Comments:  

i don't know much about the clone video format... besides Rodrigo, Christopher is the only one to have a clear understanding of them. One thing is sure though, as Christopher has told me, they all have some complicated algorithm that digests the whole video content, makes up a checksum out of it and appends it to the video (to tell the truth MS Clone 2006 and later take it a step further encrypting the whole vid). That means that if you manually edit the video and change even a single byte the checksums won't match and the clone (arbiter, vienna etc...) would complain the video is corrupted and won't play it.

Since the Clone is playing it the odds are that the Clone itself generated it that way... (someone breaking the checksum code sounds quite unlikely to me)

   
May 13th 2008 at 01:43:00 PM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@Thomas Storm vid: I don't know how a video is stored, but if position and time are stored in time/position differences from point to point and not the absolute time at every point....I think he actually just cut parts from the video file using an hex editor, causing some parts to be skipped. (I could be totally wrong though, because I know nothing about the storage format.)

   
May 13th 2008 at 12:25:13 PM
Name:  

Bertie

Comments:  

I'll also go with "Bug of some sort" for 200.

   
May 13th 2008 at 11:38:05 AM
Name:  

joni

Comments:  

totally agree with Elmar. It seems like this guy's mouse travels back and forth through time... it becomes more clear at the end of the videos: at one moment the timer is at 48-49 seconds going for at estimated 65 when suddenly a lot of clicks appear who are in sequence after this moment (the path looks nice) but have timestamps preceeding it, with the last click clocked at 45 seconds... same with the int game, which goes all the way up to about 21 before getting back to 18... This is on the latest clone release, so my fair guess would be either a clone bug or some other program conflicting with the clone/the time routines the clone uses... (whether deliberately or accidentally is not up to me to say)

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May 13th 2008 at 11:16:32 AM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

@Thomas Storm: Can't imagine that being a fake. I mean, who would knowinlgy submit these vids as fake and expect them to go through? Looks like some weird bug to me...
Have you asked that guy for explanations, Damien?

   
May 13th 2008 at 10:43:09 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

Congrats to all record breakers
@fritz: dont worry, I had 12x13 and 2 days later 10
@Damien: Storm cheater
Vid of my 3,727 NF 3BV/s with pop-up window linked
I watched my vid of my 1st sup4 NF on int. 5 months ago I thought that it was fast, and now I wonder why did I play so slow

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May 13th 2008 at 05:02:08 AM
Name:  

Michael

Comments:  

I offer no congratulations to Ryo, I don't like it when people overtake me.

   
May 13th 2008 at 04:53:08 AM
Name:  

Strange...

Comments:  

@Damien: According to planet-minesweeper.com ranking, Anoop Jayakkar is from New Zealand. Why his country field is empty at this site?

   
May 13th 2008 at 04:12:39 AM
Name:  

fritz

Comments:  

@ryo: congratulations

just for the case that i'm not the only one on whose computer the numbers of ryo's scores are not displayed,
ryo's scores are 1-13-55 what makes a total of 69.

   
May 12th 2008 at 08:51:38 PM
Name:  

Ryo Nishihara (Leo)

Best expert:  

58  ――→ 55 

Best intermediate:  

13

Best beginner:  


Comments:  

New record!
That brings the sum to sub 70,which is very good

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May 12th 2008 at 05:44:31 PM
Name:  

Dennis Meng

Best expert:  

89 seconds

Best intermediate:  

27 seconds

Best beginner:  

3 seconds

Comments:  

Oh, and I'll send dates, too. I can't remember them off the top of my head...

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May 12th 2008 at 05:42:41 PM
Name:  

Dennis Meng

Best expert:  

89 seconds

Best intermediate:  

27 seconds

Best beginner:  

3 seconds

Comments:  

I'll send pictures of my best times if you e-mail me.

My Location: USA-TN

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May 12th 2008 at 03:05:47 PM
Name:  

fritz

Best intermediate:  

15,24 on arbiter (15x6 => 15x7)

Comments:  

15,57 on 35, 6 openings no guesses
could have been a 14 if i had a better mousepad and if i hurried a bit

@damien: sounds great.
@thomas s. vids: if they were ment to be true, then poor fakes. if they're bug related then ?????
@kamil: nice, maybe you should have explained growling for those who are not familar with heavymetal
@jon s: always switch to a bigger mouse, thats what i did, keep the mousepad.
@tibor: big grats
@ronny on't be too sad, you'll break your records if you only try hard enough

   
May 12th 2008 at 02:30:14 PM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@Damien: Nice, the more statistics the merrier.....in case you didn't know: I'm a stat addict...I keep stats of everything.

   
May 12th 2008 at 01:45:14 PM
Name:  

damien

Comments:  

Big sigh of relief! I have just finished adding every score posted in surviving pages of the Guestbooks. Started this project 123 days ago...the purpose is to creat historical rankings and player score histories.

Next project is to read everything again and collect all the important news, and to collect topics (to use for new Wiki articles). No rest for the wicked

@kamil: i will fix it next update. just add -30- between the score and date in the link.

@ThisFieldRequired: Thomas Storm sent me that 45s clone video this week...let me know what you think about it!

   
May 12th 2008 at 12:04:44 PM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

@Damien: there is error when I try to download Thomas Kolar's 12, check it.
I tried your 40s board in upk, got 45,183 NF 1st try
@joni: Im going to growl in a death metal band

Today I made 12x2 on 46 and 47 and 13 on 39 with 9 openings

   
May 12th 2008 at 05:27:13 AM
Name:  

This field is required!

Comments:  

Who is that Thomas Storm???

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May 11th 2008 at 10:44:48 PM
Name:  

joni

Comments:  

always fun to read about KAmils way to "prove" things... I wonder how his collegues would accept his theories if he were to chose some scientifical path in the future . Btw we don't know much about you KAmil... what would you like to do when you grow up for example ? fireman?

good luck ronny! you're gonna crash that record soon

   
May 11th 2008 at 04:51:08 PM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@Jon S: Well I've switched to the logitec G5 laser mouse some time ago and it's a very accurate mouse. However, be aware that if you're really used to one model it might be frustrating at first when you change from ouse, because it will take some time before you've found the correct speed settings and you've gotten used to your new mouse in general. So be patient when you do.

   
May 11th 2008 at 04:34:45 PM
Name:  

Jon S

Comments:  

Uh oh. I totally missed that you had beaten the int time world record, Kamil. A belated congrats from me.

Grats to all other record breakers too

It doesn't seem like I've improved much since january. I think it's the mouse handling I need to improve the most. Maybe I even should buy a new mouse, because the one I'm using now seems to get a little stuck sometimes. It might be the surface, though. Maybe I should clean the mouse pad regularly. Any thoughts on the issue?

   
May 11th 2008 at 09:35:38 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

Congrats to Tibor
Today's day was the same as every day in last 2 months - 5 hours wasted and no time record. What can I say - 9 NF on int is impossilbe - the board what on I made 10,015 was the easiest in the world, the speed was the best in the world (played by me) and it wasnt a 9, so for now there are only 2 goals for me to retire: 1x20 and exp NF time WR

   
May 11th 2008 at 07:52:15 AM
Name:  

Tibor

Best expert:  

3bvs 2,424 ---> 2,608 (video in my folder)

Comments:  

finally a good game on exp: record in 3bvs,RQP(1st sub-30) and IOS... a 199 board in 77,2 FL!!

now my sum of 3bvs is sup-12--->6,263+3,193+2,608=12,064

just finished my 1000th sub-5 on beg(clone):
1x1
2x19
3x196
4x784

@Damien: good work on world ranking... i like the new scores linked directly with their videos

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May 11th 2008 at 07:36:11 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Best intermediate:  

NF 5,125

Best beginner:  

1x18 -> x19

Comments:  

Just made my 5th sup4,9 NF 3bv/s on Int: 69 in 14,964 @ 4,941, I wasted a few clicks on a stupid opening in the end, could be nice sup5
also 1,651s on 3
aslo my 4th best beg NF 3bv/s: 6,49 on a 27 board

   
May 11th 2008 at 06:17:35 AM
Name:  

damien

Comments:  

website updated.

there were pictures on the ranking from 2000-2002, but I had to stop because i was doing it by hand in notepad! waiting 6 years to start again is pretty slow...erm, ah, ok. no good excuse!

   
May 10th 2008 at 06:42:05 PM
Name:  

joni

Comments:  

@Der1k: quite a nice feature... to be honest it was the BestEver the one who had that feature first... it took several years for damien to manage to implement (erm... "copy">?) that ...

   
May 10th 2008 at 03:15:30 PM
Name:  

Ronny

Best expert:  

NF 79 -> est. 72 (109 of 122 on guess)

Comments:  

Still amazing that you guys play that fast and still finish multiple boards a day.....I'm having one of my bad streaks again. Solved only 1 board in the last 4 days (est. 16 hours!) and blasted at least 5 boards on the last square (none of them good times). Only positive point was a blasted est. 72s just 5 minutes ago that gave a little hope, because both my speed and accuracy sucked last few days.

   
May 10th 2008 at 10:51:54 AM
Name:  

damien

Comments:  

ahh! right after i posted, i lost 183/185 est 49 (3.800). Stupid misclick.

   
May 10th 2008 at 10:49:34 AM
Name:  

damien

Comments:  

kamil: nice! i thought i was good today, getting a 49 on a 176 flagging. (also a 50 on a 186).

   
May 10th 2008 at 08:39:08 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@KAmil: Less than 5sec from the time WR on a 179 3BV . Really amazing!!!

   
May 10th 2008 at 03:35:19 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Best expert:  

NF 3,67 (Vienna) -> 3,727 (Clone) !!!!!!!!

Comments:  

World record 179 3BV in 49,032s, also new RQP (13,157) and IOS (1,33976) high scores I will post avi vid with pop-up window later
Btw, also blasted something like 130/147 est 43NF

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May 10th 2008 at 02:50:03 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

Ive just made a very nice presentation of my 15 favourite bands Its really nice so everyone should watch it Linked

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May 9th 2008 at 06:52:58 PM
Name:  

Michael

Comments:  

Yup, good job damien.

@Christoph - you mentioned the possibility of a browser-based viewer, so people can watch the videos without downloading a clone. Is this a genuine possibility? If so I think you should keep working on it, whatever's happening with the IMC (or more likely, not happening). Apart from anything else, it'd be more interesting for people visiting for the first time, who don't know about clones and don't want to download them. Having all the individually downloaded videos on your computer can be a bit of a pain sometimes too, when you want a specific video. It would also be good for me, because I don't have any clones on this computer.

(Also I think I've beaten my IOS record twice in three days, but I don't really know what IOS is, so I'm not that bothered)

   
May 9th 2008 at 02:14:40 PM
Name:  

Der1k

Comments:  

what a great idea to have links to the videos from the world rankings...

   
May 9th 2008 at 02:10:53 PM
Name:  

fritz

Comments:  

@damien: of course we noticed that. but as there were some scores without videos of which i thought you have i didn#t wanna comment before i thought you have finished that.
it's really great that you made video proof for so many good scores easily available .
you're awesome, damien

   
May 9th 2008 at 11:51:28 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

@Damien: good work u forgot about my 10,01
5x5x5 cube 14:xx -> 13:xx -> 12:26
btw, my 167/168 @ 47NF vid is in my folder

   
May 9th 2008 at 11:18:57 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@Damien: Trust me, it's been noticed. Kamil showed it to me about a week ago and we both liked it a lot. Great work, it must have taken many hours to go through all your files and add them.

   
May 9th 2008 at 10:41:10 AM
Name:  

damien

Comments:  

I added 450 videos to the ranking this week...no one seems to have noticed yet, so I had to write this! hehe. It is a start, there's a lot of work still to be done.

   
May 9th 2008 at 07:24:27 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@Gergo: Better?..I think that requires actually finishing a board...so nah I'm not (yet). . BTW, yesterday I've blasted 65 of 105 est. 58 after 4 guessed my luck ran out...impossible board to finish but funny.

@Kamil: Good to see I'm not the only one blasted on the last click.

   
May 9th 2008 at 05:33:03 AM
Name:  

Gergő

Comments:  

@Ronny: I'm far not as good as you on exp, as I hardly blast games with sup 2,3... Mainly I blast them around 2-2,1, but there are some games, when I blast it at the half with an est time of 65-70. Sub 80 is rare for me nowadys, but I'll never give up.
@all: Another pop-up window . NF int 3BV/s record with 2,890 on a 77 board in 27,647, and it was an IOS record, as well, with 1,32325. Previous records were 2,840 and 1,32231. That f...(righten)ing sub 3 seems to be not as far as I thought before, as I blasted some sup3 games at their halves...

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May 9th 2008 at 01:01:09 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

Jus blasted 167/168 @ 47,86

   
May 8th 2008 at 02:12:33 PM
Name:  

Ronny

Best expert:  

NF 79 -> 77,665 (130 of 131 on 50-50 guess :S )

Comments:  

Lol, you would think, statistically I should guess correctly on the last square by now. Oh well, 77 on a 131 aint good enough for me to retire anyway.

   
May 8th 2008 at 08:42:14 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

@Manu: i cant to learn solving cubes on hi-games, too much buttons for me btw, how do u solve it? fridrich?

   
May 8th 2008 at 07:38:46 AM
Name:  

manuel h

Comments:  

rubiks cube(on hi-games.net):
24 -> 21,8 -> 20,4 (pll skip) ;-)
mfg

   
May 8th 2008 at 03:16:08 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@Gergő: Congrats....I've blasted so many sup2 and sup2,1 boards lately (about 10 on last 2 clicks!)....that I think when I finally don't blast one, that I just jump straight to 2.3xx with a little luck. . Also I keep blasting NF hopses and huge improvements near the end (i.e. yesterday a est. 71 (115 or 131 with easy ending without guesses)...that I feel I'm closer to getting sub70 now than I was to sub80 when I got my 79s. Funny thing is that lately when I blast a NF time or 3BVs record...I'm actually often glad I blasted it instead of being frustrated, because I want my next record to be a hops, since both my time and 3BVs are very outdated, so it's probably the only remaining chance I get to hops on expert.

   
May 8th 2008 at 02:16:57 AM
Name:  

Gergő

Comments:  

Ice was broken! After 13 sup 2 but sub 2,1 3BV/s, a sup 2,1 came on NF exp. 2,121 on a 189 board in 90,125. It was 4. RQP and 2. IOS result, as well. The previous 3BV/s record was 2,089.

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May 7th 2008 at 06:20:41 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@Ryan: Note that sub100 3BV is extremely rare, so be careful that your program doesn't end up in an almost endless loop.

   
May 7th 2008 at 06:18:31 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

I forgot:
@Ryan: 100 3bv is better
@All: Rubiks cubes records:
4x4x4 3:09 -> 2:42 ,and in next 30 minutes 2:55 as my 2nd best
5x5x5: 16:00 -> 14:24 -> 14:05 my 5x5 is faster, but I heard that it should be reallly fast after 100 solvings

   
May 7th 2008 at 06:15:07 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

If u make a program, send me it pls email = superzombie@op.pl

   
May 7th 2008 at 02:02:57 AM
Name:  

Ryan Heise

Comments:  

Hi KAmil, yes I could very easily make a 100 3BV version of expert at hi-games. (or should it be 99 3BV? ). If I do it, I guess I should also make lower 3BV versions for intermediate and beginner. Then there is also the topic of higher 3BV boards...
V bo

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May 7th 2008 at 01:09:42 AM
Name:  

Gergő

Comments:  

NF int IOS record 1,32231 on a 59 board in 22,838 with a 3BV/s of 2,702. My previous record was 1,32150 on a 73 board in 26,704 with 2,840 3BV/s. Video in my NF Intermediate folder. I did yesterday two top ten times on int and one top ten on exp. Slowly, but surely

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May 6th 2008 at 09:48:12 PM
Name:  

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Best expert:  

Serpenter_e

Comments:  

small 3bv/s improvements:
exp: 3.282 -> 3.288
int: 4.234 -> 4.312

   
May 5th 2008 at 03:43:22 PM
Name:  

Michael

Best expert:  

2.85 > 2.86

Comments:  

Small 3BV/s improvement, but I'm sure I'm better than that anyway. Can't believe I still haven't made 3, with the amount of blasted games I've had.

   
May 5th 2008 at 02:20:36 PM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

Well the only advantage of 200fps is that if you want a more exact time on for example a winmine record video, is that you can time your score with a 0,005s accuracy (200fps) instead a 0,067s accuracy (15 fps).....besides that it's worthless, because your eyes can't any see any difference between 25 or 200.

   
May 5th 2008 at 01:16:48 PM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

Anyway thanks*

   
May 5th 2008 at 01:16:06 PM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

@Ronny: my wmv vid has 200 frames/s and it is better that your's 15f/s avi
@Joni: thanks for your help My CamStudio makes 200 frames/s and thats y its 83 MB Anyway
@fritz: congrats

   
May 5th 2008 at 12:16:03 PM
Name:  

fritz

Best intermediate:  

15,64 on vienna sweeper ========>15,24 on arbiter (15x5 => 15x6)

Comments:  

15,24 on 3BV=39
i knew that i'm close to breaking some records but this is the one i expected to break the least (and it isn't even a whole second). anyways, record is record and so i'm happy with it. yay, finally again an arbiter highscore . vid is in my folder

my opinion about NF vs. FL:
i'm a convinced flagger even on beg and nothing will change that. i think that every sweeper has their own style and a different most efficient number of mines used per board. so let the flaggers flag their mines and as well let the NFers play NFstyle. highscores will always come when sweepers play in the style they are used to and if eg. kamil sticks to NF for long enough is see no reason why he shouldn't get close to or even faster than sub40.

   
May 5th 2008 at 11:37:38 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@Kamil: Try downloading the program: Virtualdub. You can convert your avi vid to a very small file using the Techsmith Camtasia Codec and reducing the frame rate to 15fps. See attached link, to see how it's done.


Techsmith codec (in case you dont have it):
http://www.minesweeper.info/downloads/TSCC.html

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May 5th 2008 at 10:54:53 AM
Name:  

manuel h

Comments:  

about the NF - F talk:
when i jumped from 40 to 30 in int on an easy board, i checked the first time the net about minesweeper. then i started to play NF until i had sth like 15 x3.
(didnt play much exp at that time ;-) )
the reason for the big improvement of ppl who starting NF is just the one fact, that they start to learn the patterns. Theres no possibility to solve the boards without thinking, so the times will be much more slower in the beginning but then improve very fast.
if u use flags u will use the "check-out-left+rightclick" at this state, but u wont use any other patterns than the basic.

mfg

   
May 5th 2008 at 10:31:18 AM
Name:  

joni

Comments:  

1. I'm quite sure you asked for some other format I had never heard of ("mwv" or there about), that i looked up and found it belonged to some abscure video editing software... (now i understand you had probably misspelled wmv...) be more careful spelling things next time :P.

2. If by converting a file you are increasing it's size by 100 YOU are certainly doing something wrong . Learning how to do it right can only be good to you anyway and I doubt it's something you can't manage yourself. "So less talk and more work"

   
May 5th 2008 at 10:14:31 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

joni forgot about me
Anyway thanks, I can change the quality to worse, but I think u should make .wmv files possible to put into video folders, because its the exact quality as my avi vid and its only 935 KB. Also, every Windows XP has Window Media Player, what opens wmv files without installing avi codect

   
May 5th 2008 at 10:10:13 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

Congrats to all record breakers
Does anybody know why my avi vid is 83 MB? Thats y I wondered why wmv files cant be put in video folder - its 1-2 MB instead of 83 MB avi
@Bertie: I can play FL, yesterday I made 48 with flags

   
May 5th 2008 at 10:06:13 AM
Name:  

joni

Comments:  

sorry Kamil, i forgot about you :P. Your problem is simple: your video is HUGE!!! Unfortunately our site doesn't have the almost unlimited resources youtube or other video sites have, so we have set a limit of 1-1.2 MB for the max video size. That limit is based on the experience that a minesweeper video can be encoded down to that size and still retain an acceptable quality. So I'd suggest to take a couple of hours of break from minesweeper tonight and take a chance at video editing/encoding :P.

   
May 5th 2008 at 09:37:04 AM
Name:  

joni

Comments:  

Grats Ronny!!

I consider myself an all-round player (I actually had at one moment the same sum of F and NF times 2-14-57 NF = 3-15-55 F. Then I got that stupid 13 to ruin it so now I have both my (int+exp) records flagging and both my second best times in NF) and I totally disagree with you Bertie. Using only one finger helps, but certainly not the brain, it helps the people who like me have an appalling mouse control. If overflag and doubleclick like hell requires little brain activity but very good coordination, NFing is quite the opposite placing the tougher job on the brain.

the attached link has an interesting "interview" of Stephan Bechtel (I'd guess some time in 2004), on why he NFed.

"Can you provide some information about your way down to your current records and your playing style? Maybe some statistics as well?

When I started, there was no (or I didn’t know of) double-click feature. I flagged all mines, even the unnecessary ones, and came down to 138 in expert with this technique. My former math teacher told me that he doesn’t flag at all, so I learnt how to do that. Since then, I always have been playing non-flagging (nf). Most likely, this is the main reason for my unusual record development in expert: 95-88-83-73-65-55-52. I don’t finish many games, but if I finish a fast board, a large gap is possible. By now, as far as I know, I’m #3 in the world of non-flaggers. In intermediate, I’ve always played nf, and my non-DB 12 seems to be one of the fastest nf times around."

so even the first NFers became such by putting a harder load on the brain and cutting the (for them) unneccessary right clicks (either because at the time chording was not implemented yet or because they were too lazy to read the help file and there were no tips sites)

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May 5th 2008 at 09:20:05 AM
Name:  

fritz

Comments:  

@ronny: biiiiiiiiig grats

btw i got my 100th sub60 yesterday, time for sub50 now

   
May 5th 2008 at 08:20:55 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@Bertie: Hehe txs, I've almost spit my coffee on my monitor when I read "A NF-er is a someone with the inability to manage a second finger".

But on the serious side, NF may only require only 1 finger. The reason why NF is much more difficult than flagging is that your eye-hand coordination must be very accurate all the time with NF (right clicks and double clicks dont blast boards) and you need to remember mines and recognize complex mine patterns without the help of marks.

When I was still a (over)flagger I played boards by simply flagging and double clicking and very little left-clicking, which went fastest when being in a near-brain-dead state of mind.

Now, when playing NF I need to focuss much harder and being in the same near-brain-dead state of mind would result in blasting 99,99% of all expert boards.


BTW, my 8 flag board wasn't a poorly played flag board. I just started with flags for 5 seconds and played the remaining 70 sec NF on purpose.

   
May 5th 2008 at 06:14:36 AM
Name:  

Bertie

Comments:  

Congrats to all the record breakers.

I just wanna say a few more things on the NF vs. FL issue. Gergő brings up an interresting point, NF seems to be more effective at giving players in the "just sup100" slot improvements. I, of course, have a theory regarding this phenomenon . I pure fact of the matter is that NF simplifies the sweeping process because your brain only needs to manage one finger. Added to a players inability to manage a second finger is their inexperience, meaning that they don't know how to use the second finger. (not that I'm saying that NFers are stupid ) Thus it would be in the same breath easier and harder for someone like KAmil to start flagging, because he has more experience solving boards (easier) and is more set in his ways as NFer (harder).

P.S. I don't really consider a game with 8 flags a true flagging game. At the best a 8 flag game is a really badly played flagging game. No offense

Another thing. To all you Arbiter users. What kinds of throughput and correctnesses do you guys get? I average about 0.9 and 0.92 resp..

   
May 5th 2008 at 03:53:38 AM
Name:  

Gergő

Comments:  

Nice work, Ronny! Just keep on improving!
I promised you to count my sup 2 NF exp. I have 12 ones but I haven't sup 2,1 yet. The last one I made the following day of a concert with at least 7 beers, after six hours of sleeping and half an hour playing...
BTW I made a strange record. Beg NF 3BV/s. 3,652 on a 21 board in 6,751. Why is it strange? My previous record was on a 21 board, as well, but in 6,759, that is 0,008 second slower, which means that the previous 3BV/s record was 3,646, so I improved 0,006
About Fl and NF. I began NF this year, and improved my int record from 21 to 16, and my exp record from 78 to 75 (67). I always overflagged which was annoying mainly on int. Now I'm unable to give up NF, but I feel that I developed a lot with the help of NF, so I can suggest to anyone to fasten your eyes and reflex. Fl might be more efficient on exp, but I feel NF better on int, but it is board-dependent. But there is another point of view. I only play Minesweeper for fun, and I think NF gives more fun, which is the most important.

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May 4th 2008 at 08:40:28 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Best expert:  

NF 79,766 / FL 80,168 -> FL 74,786 (3BV=152, 8 Flags)

Comments:  

Finally a sub80 that I didn't blast and even almost a Hops

Best Time 79,766 -> 74,786
Best IOS 1,165 -> 1,16803
Best RQP 43,xx -> 36,304
2nd Best 3BVs -> 2,060 (1st: 2,107)

My FL total: 3,242 + 19,451 + 74,786 = 96 (= Sub100 total )
(My NF total: 2,377 + 16,467 + 79,766 = 97)

Overal: 2 + 16 + 74 = 92

Not as good as that blasted 67 (118 of 120), but I'm very satisfied.


@Sankar: Congrats, must be a good record day.

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May 4th 2008 at 07:37:19 AM
Name:  

Sankar N Nair

Best expert:  

60NF ------> 57NF(yeah)

Comments:  

Finally, a sub-60 after 48 sub-70s.
This was the last day of summer vacation. So I wanted the record very much.
Off to school then. Bye!!

(vid in my folder)

   
May 4th 2008 at 06:54:55 AM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@Kamil: With camtasia the vids are always less than 1mb and on int often only 200-300kb. How did you make this vid?

   
May 4th 2008 at 06:29:54 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

the vid is 83 MB. Error kind: I waited more than 1 hour and it didnt upload but all the time it was written that its uploading
Just made 3,498 NF on 189, new Clone IOS record

   
May 4th 2008 at 01:59:29 AM
Name:  

joni

Comments:  

@KAmil: sure: what kind of error do you get? and what is the size of your vids?

@1. that, or truncate all the other records accordingly

@IOS: poor Rogen has been complaining about everybody writing it wrong all over the place (here, p-m, clone helpfile etc.) for over 3 years now...

   
May 4th 2008 at 01:48:02 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

My yesterday's 11NF on 50:
Time: 11,18s
3BV/s = 4,912
RQP = 2,276
IOS = 1,686
Is it RQP and IOS world record? Vid linked.
@joni: I cant upload avi vids to my folder, can you help, please?
@Damien: on metanoodle.com -> Dictionary:
Index of Speed:
[ log (Time - 1) / log (3BV) ]
I think its log 3bv/ log time-1

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May 4th 2008 at 01:12:17 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

@Damien:
1. I know that there is no "exactly time" like Christoph told, but all the records in World Records have 3 digits after , , so I think u should change my 3,66 into 3,664 and time into 57,486.
2. When will u solve the problem with Beg FL 3bv/s world records?
3. I made only 1 record, so "all my records" means 1 record

   
May 4th 2008 at 12:56:17 AM
Name:  

joni

Comments:  

I'm not much of a video expert, but i can say the game is played on an old clone (like 0.96 or .97) which had a different video format. When these videos are played on Clone 2007 they all look a bit weird (reminding of the old Recorder videos) with low refresh rates and the mouse movements often resembling straight lines between two points... certainly not a pleasure for the eye.

Furthermore, David's play is old-style overflagging (I remember Damien mentioning on the tips section that top-players usually leave about 20 mines unflagged when I first bumped into this site ), if you play with 80+ flags on a 120ish board and keep misflagging like that is no surprise the IOE will be low. It did work for them at that time though.

   
May 4th 2008 at 12:15:07 AM
Name:  

Curious Person

Comments:  

@Damien: How many planet-minesweeper guys haven't joined your rankings yet? I found Takemasa Aoki and Nicolas Senger with great scores there.

@IMC\AR maker: what's happened with AR? Will it work or minesweeper.cc is now dead?

   
May 3rd 2008 at 05:50:00 PM
Name:  

Michael

Comments:  

I've seen David Greer's expert video...really strange, the IOE is something like 0.4xx

   
May 3rd 2008 at 03:48:43 PM
Name:  

damien

Best expert:  

website updated

Comments:  

Finally found David Greer (UK) 2-15-49, and Xu Jian Yu (China) 2-15-51. And of course I updated all Kamil's records :)

   
May 3rd 2008 at 10:38:05 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

Just made 11NF on 50 3bv winminexp ( still trying to get dreamboard). I will post a vid in next few days.

   
May 3rd 2008 at 08:27:37 AM
Name:  

tK

Comments:  

Well, I also think that its possible, but I also think that sub35 F is possible ;-) I think that that will happen in the next couple of years.
Also, I think that even though 3bv correlates with difficulty much better with NF, it levels out there on very low boards too. the difference between 120 and 100 isn't _that_ big.

Also, try playing low density expert. I am _much_ faster on boards with the same 3bv. So I guess that the way the mines are distributed also is extremely important. And mines distributions are not that different between high/low 3bv boards - you can turn a 3*3 opening (1 3bv) into 24 3bvs by putting a mine in the middle. No big difference in terms of mines positions. Also, if you take the mine from a place that leaves a new 3bv, you have one more 3bv.
So in that situation you can increase 3bvs by a factor of 25 by shifting one mine by a couple of squares. Granted, it is extreme - but I think that the difference between high/low 3bv boards is not that big in terms of mine constellations.

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May 3rd 2008 at 03:45:35 AM
Name:  

Bertie

Best expert:  

50

Best intermediate:  

13

Best beginner:  

2

Comments:  

I'm just gonna drop my bit on this subject. I think that NF has alot of merit, but in view it shouldn't be a seperate playing style. I think it should be used to train yourself in specific aspects of the game like opening hunting etc. Never the less it has gained seperate status (much like touch rugby, or seven's rugby) and people are playing it all the time. Not let me tell you about a little realization I had a bit back. I realized that I have no hope of beating the sup4NF on int because I can bearly break 4 cl/s if I try! My avg cl/s is about 3.4. Yet, dispite this, my exp record sits at 50 (3.26 cl/s)!? This leaves me asking: What am I doing right? The major things I can think of is my path and efficiency. I also usually use about 30 flags. 5-10 is ineffective on most boards. I'd say 20-25 is the avg ideal (or ideal avg, whatever )

Well that's my six-pence! GO FLAGGING!

   
May 3rd 2008 at 01:00:06 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Comments:  

@tK: I think sub40 NF isn't impossible - 120/126 est 42NF => it should be something like 39 on 100 3bv Anyway, Ive never solved sub120 3bv board and never got sub104 3bv, so I would have to play 10 years to get 100 3bv without guessings
@Ryan: U made hi-games with only 175 3bv boards, so if you want you can make a minesweeper generating only 100 3bv boards and I will check the best possible NF times

   
May 2nd 2008 at 03:09:17 PM
Name:  

Ronny

Comments:  

@tK: Very nicely compared. Looking at all those elements, it's obvious that it's probably to complex to determine the fastest method by theory alone. If you look at the fastest times in general, it would suggest that Dion's game play is the fastest way to solve an expert board, but I wouldn't be surprised if the future will bring new players that will find ways to solve boards faster using a completely different style with to use of much less flags.

BTW, I've as many NF sub90 boards in the last 2 days as in the first 4 months of the years, so I think it's time to beat that bloody 79s.

   
May 2nd 2008 at 02:22:56 PM
Name:  

tK

Comments:  

Well, I agree that NF compares better to F on low 3bv boards. But you can also turn that around and say that NF sucks on high 3bv boards (again, no offense :P)
I agree that probably most flaggers overflag. But 5-10 sounds a bit low for me. It's probably a matter of style as well. Thing is, the difference between F/NF is more than just click efficiency - it is also to a large degree path (and effectively, clicks per second are not even that important - an efficient path is necessary in order for cl/s to actually work, and moving the mouse fast slows down your cl/s (and vice versa)). I think that flagging makes heuristic harmless guesses a lot more useful (what I mean is for example immediately doubleclicking a square after you open it, before you process the info about it) - you can't do that NF, because every guess is potantially extremely harmful :P
Which is the reason I think that absolute click efficiency is nonsense - some clicks will be a good idea to do even when they don't ultimately open a square, because they were probable enough to be useful to try it out. Also, these clicks are normally not wasted, because you would not be able to click somewhere else that fast path-wise. And you can use the time to process other areas ;)
You can do these guesses NF too of course - but then you will blast too many boards on exp.
The fact that every click is a potential blast NF is not the only reason that NF leads to more blasted games - if you play fast, you will risk blasting to be fast more often.
Which doesn't matter as much on int as exp.
But I think that the density is still the most important factor in that respect. The more dense a board is, the more can be gained by doubleclicking.
37 vs 42 is not that much, thats true, but there are still 5 secs difference. And considering a certain blast from manu the blasted wr difference is even higher :P
Also 5 seconds are _a lot_ on that level. (At least it feels like a lot to me :-P)
I think that the maximum speed of NF may be underrated on exp, but I also think that you won't finish a lot of games if you go for maxspeed, and it still is significantly slower.
It is definetly interesting.
But I wouldn't recommend it in that case, because ronny is trying to be more consistent as far as I could discern. Even though it could help with building up consistency, I wouldn't use it as my main style.
Playing NF in between could be a very good idea though.

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May 2nd 2008 at 02:12:59 PM
Name:  

fritz

Comments:  

@ronny: that was me. and it looks like it's going to be the same with sub60s before my 1st sub50 (if i ever get one).

@all: nonosweeper rules. 2 days ago manu gave me the link and now my times are already 4-45-269 (only for those who like nonosweeper)

   
May 2nd 2008 at 11:19:10 AM
Name:  

KAmil

Best expert:  

47FL, 47x4NF

Comments:  

@tK: I blasted 120/126 est 42NF, so its not much worse than 37 FL In fact I think that the best would be to flag 5-15 flags/game, but NF only looks better

   


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