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Sep 10th 2005 at 02:58:20 PM
Name:  

UPK

Comments:  

download this week's int board

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Sep 10th 2005 at 02:58:01 PM
Name:  

Christoph

Comments:  

@Elmar: Ein ähliches Problem ist mir untergekommen, als ich angefangen habe, mein Videoformat zu programmieren. Schick mir bitte das Video, wenn das ganze Spiel gespeichert ist, kann man es mit etwas Tricksen vielleicht abspielen. Ist die Datei <1KB oder etwa 3-5KB groß?
@others: Sorry for posting in German.

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Sep 10th 2005 at 02:53:12 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Comments:  

@Elmar: I've had that problem twice (shown on two videos), but I can't find the videos - their names are normal. Notice how the time jumps at the end of the video...

   
Sep 10th 2005 at 02:29:56 PM
Name:  

Elmar

Best expert:  

NF 50 (49)

Best intermediate:  

NF 14 (11) --> 13,93

Comments:  

While the IMC is being formed and my 11 is yet to be validated, I improved my NF int record on classic mouse setup.
3bv was 29, so I probably should've done better, but it's a start after 10 days without sweeping.
Unfortunatley the video doesnt work, it shows me hitting a mine on the 2nd click.

   
Sep 10th 2005 at 01:35:48 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Best expert:  

1,79==>1,81 3bv/s

Best intermediate:  

2,56+ (don't know exact)

Best beginner:  

3,47

Comments:  

87,23 on a 156...
my best exp 3bv/s and best officially recognized exp time (also 3rd sub-90)
I've been playing expert a lot today and have won 5 games: 109, 98, 96, 90, 87

   
Sep 10th 2005 at 10:15:30 AM
Name:  

Arjádre

Comments:  

@Dmitriy: yeah... I realized early on while playing it that could be a record, so I played as carefully as I could, rather than as fast as I could

   
Sep 10th 2005 at 09:46:07 AM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

nice board! could be easily even a sub20 !

   
Sep 10th 2005 at 09:20:19 AM
Name:  

Arjádre

Comments:  

thx Dmitriy...
video uploaded- link below

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Sep 10th 2005 at 09:16:51 AM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

What can i say, Arjadre... You rock! Grats!

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Sep 10th 2005 at 08:59:51 AM
Name:  

Arjádre

Best expert:  

85,07 (Arbiter), 89,21 (Clone)

Best intermediate:  

25x9==>22,98

Best beginner:  

2,2

Comments:  

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!
22,98 on a beautiful 36 board... no complaints
total is now 109... 10 away from bestever...
@Christoph: sorry... must've been a typo... x is next to z on the keyboard, and it was late at night when I updated the site..
@Dmitriy: congrats on your 3bv/s records... I need to work on mine...
I will upload the vid soon...

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Sep 10th 2005 at 08:10:34 AM
Name:  

Christoph

Comments:  

Next friday I'll travel to Leeds where I'll study for a semester. Is here someone around from there or nearby?

@Elmar&Robert: So I'll join the club of not-submitters but I've a good excuse, I burned my playing fingers and couldn't play during the last week

@Arjádre: There's no z in my last name, but I'd prefer anyway if you rank me as Christoph Nikolaus

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Sep 10th 2005 at 04:36:24 AM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

Hello Everybody!
I am happy to announce the brand new site

MINESWEEPER-COMMUNITY.COM

* it is build like a community portal
* has very handy "human" interface
* contains general forum and special forum threads, which may be easily customizable (forum interface was optimized, so you will newer be lost on the discussions)
* forum e-mail tracking
* nice and quick chatbox system
* private and broadcast messaging
* polls
* public uploading features - multi category uploads - files, images, replays, other files
* as well, as the public downloads
* articles section - articles are split to some general categories, like general, tips, contests, personal logs and so one
* community linking
* community events calendar (every event, as well as articles, polls etc supports commenting)
* and many other things

there are a lot of features launch pending , which are added as quick as possible.

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Sep 10th 2005 at 02:35:43 AM
Name:  

Robert Benditz

Comments:  

Indeed, we're gonna meet in about 30 min. I hope I won't be late :)
cya soon

I also forgot to submit ar-scores due to lack of internet access 58-16

   
Sep 10th 2005 at 02:02:37 AM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

I forgot to submit my AR scores...

Gonna have my first sweeper meeting today, with Robert Benditz aka Hopsing!

@Rogen: Yeah, I misread that about the 25%. But how did you come up with this IOS-relation? Did you try others?

   
Sep 9th 2005 at 01:57:00 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Best expert:  

85==>84 (not) ... if only....

Comments:  

I guess my 85 wasn't an anomaly... If I had looked, that last click would've stuck out very quickly- I had made note of it, but forgot Anyways, I'm not too upset... at least I didn't miss an 80 or something like that...

My e-mail address has changed slightly (below), and download the vid from the link below...

@Timothy: btw I'm only 15

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Sep 9th 2005 at 11:07:46 AM
Name:  

Timothy Nordfält

Best expert:  

143

Best intermediate:  

39

Best beginner:  

3

Comments:  

For the first I think that you should get a forum to this site.

For the second I wonder if my my records are good for a 16 year old boy or if it is many of us youngsters.

   
Sep 9th 2005 at 08:36:34 AM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Best intermediate:  

2,69 bv/s --> 2,72 bv/s

Comments:  

at 86 bv board. i am not even impressed, because just before this i blasted at the final mines a 100 bv board with the speed of 3,17 bv/s

   
Sep 9th 2005 at 08:33:28 AM
Name:  

Manuel Heider

Comments:  

got my first finished int game with a "perfect cycle 8" ;-)
link below...

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Sep 9th 2005 at 06:34:53 AM
Name:  

Rasmus H. Jensen

Comments:  

Ralph --- I wrote that like 5 or 6 posts before you ;o)

But just one spot ahead of you - - - should be easy enough to catch up

   
Sep 9th 2005 at 04:31:27 AM
Name:  

Rogen

Comments:  

"we should work under assumption of presence of some number of games with almost constant index of speed, because of this I excluded from alltime list of the games 25% worst 3BV/s games"

You understood this not right. I'm looking at 75% of games.

This method gives wide segment of 3BV and time. If you don't like specific number 75 we can discuss it, but there was a logic in my decision. I took 75 because I need to know my actual IOS, not alltime, best 75% 3BV/s games in average are like I feel my average now. I know that 75 is approximate number and could be changed for certain person.

I want to make simple comments about IOS again, I hope this will attract more attention.

1. IOS for a game: it's a value log_{time-1} 3BV, you can easily count it, almost all calculators have log function. Game's IOS doesn't depend on 3BV like 3BV/s. It gives possibility to compare games with different time and 3BV. For example: two days ago I got my best IOS for intermediate, it was 15s game with 3BV/s 4.41, my best 3BV/s is 4.51 in 18s game, in my opinion 15s game is faster.

2. IOS for player: average IOS for best (3BV/s) 75% games.

Btw is anybody interested in AR with additional 3BV/s and IOS rankings?

   
Sep 9th 2005 at 02:29:54 AM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

for the best IOS calculations and forecasts, the LAST 75% of games are used... like, when i have the worst Int time 55 sec at my history, it would not be calculated.

As for the forecasting - when the worst-25%-by-speed games excluded, this is quite a good way, because you want to forecast your best times and speed, which may be reached only when you are in your best sweeping shape..

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Sep 9th 2005 at 02:10:34 AM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

about IOS:
"Next question is why this value is good. The answer is sqrt(dispersion)/(avg value)<=0,015 for most players (sigma=sqrt(dispersion)). " -Roman

Dont you think this is in a great part due to your sample. Taking only the top25% of 3bv/s results in a highly biased sample IMO. Just look at your top 3bv/s games. The 3bv is usually >190 and the time ~60. If 3bv and time are roughly constant, then the ios as a combination of the two will be pretty constant as well.

I took a look at a history file including 300 exp games to get some figures:

top25%:
avrg 3bv: 193,18
sqrt(dispersion)/(avg value): 0,0762

all games:
avrg 3bv: 175,70
sqrt(dispersion)/(avg value): 0,10819

Also, if we're looking for a relation between 3bv and time, which is what you assume when doing the estimates, we should consider a high range of different 3bv and not only high 3bv games.

Food for thought.

   
Sep 9th 2005 at 01:08:22 AM
Name:  

Ralph

Comments:  

I was just scanning through the Bestever and noticed that Rasmus has caught me up again! Congrats dude

   
Sep 8th 2005 at 11:51:46 PM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

@Owen: Damien is moving and doesnt have internet access these days. He changed the layout of the word rankings some time ago and in the course of that he messed up some of the scores of the oldies (Emmanuel Burnelliere and Eduardo Cros had exp scores of 50 before for example). Maybe you are another victim of that update. I don't know what happened there. I noticed it and posted it here but Damien must not have seen it. But anyways I'm sure it's nothing personal. Damien is preparing a major update on the rankings, he wants to include the times obtained on the clone (see http://www.planet-minesweeper.com/bestever.php where you are uptodate btw). I will remind him of correcting the old scores on that occasion.

   
Sep 8th 2005 at 06:18:41 PM
Name:  

Owen Fox

Best expert:  

52

Best intermediate:  

12

Best beginner:  

2

Comments:  

HI Damien and all the other oldies....

Damien, Im sure u still remmeber me. Me and Matt had a fierce battle going on a long time ago as to who would imporve the most and storm up the world rankings.

I would like you to change my score to the correct score. I sent you in a screen shot a long time ago but obviousl it was broken. I have contacted u about it since but my expert score remains the same - 59. I got many scores below 59, my best being 52. I would really appreciate it if you corrected this mistake, and changed my score accordingly in the world ranking.

I dont play any more but just would like my proper score submitted.

Thanks again old mate. Good to see ths site is still up. Any news from Lasse, Dan,Matt or Sriram?

Owen

   
Sep 8th 2005 at 04:58:22 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Comments:  

sorry... forgot to link...

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Sep 8th 2005 at 04:57:01 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Comments:  

@Dmitriy: please wait until I break 25 to break 24
@All: my site has finally been updated
@Dennis: my parents won't let me touch minesweeper until the weekend, so a new UPK board will have to wait until then...
@Rasmus and Rodrigo: congrats
@Gergely: well said... but is minesweeper really a sport?

   
Sep 8th 2005 at 01:50:13 PM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

Congratulations Rodrigo on your returning :D

yesterday i blasted an 18sec estimated 21sec on a 51 3bv board.. could be a hi-score.. grr

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Sep 8th 2005 at 11:08:43 AM
Name:  

Rodrigo

Best intermediate:  

15; 16 ---> 15; 16x2!!!

Comments:  

Amazing!!!

I've just asked Detrusor to include me in the new Active Ranking, because I wanted to submit my 67. So I started to play some int, because I didn't have any finished yet in this period. After getting 22 twice, I got an incredible 16.27 on a 29 3BV board! Video is here:

http://www.geocities.com/minesweeperclone/rodrigo16x2.zip

So now I think I'll have my best ever AR scores of 16 and 67! Great!!

Good sweeping everyone!

   
Sep 8th 2005 at 08:49:37 AM
Name:  

Rasmus H. Jensen

Best expert:  

71,54 ====> 70,69

Comments:  

Even Steven, Ralph

   
Sep 8th 2005 at 05:22:54 AM
Name:  

Dennis Lütken

Comments:  

@Arjadre: When will the new UPK boards be available? Could you email them to me if they are already available, please!

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Sep 8th 2005 at 02:58:53 AM
Name:  

Gergely

Comments:  

Hello Everyone and congrats to the record breakers of the last few weeks!

This IMC idea is not a bad one. BUT first, imho, the community has to think about the concrete allocated rights going to this supreme board. Because, if you just vote for people and they get elected, then they make decisions which some parties do not accept, now that creates much greater mess than this whole Elmar-story recently. So, as I think noone protested against this Commitee of ours, the biggest step is made, but here comes the annoying part: defining the authorities of the supreme board; making the final version public (or creating a poll to choose from different versions) and THEN electing the members.
So, here's my kind of paragraphs (not full version, just what comes to my mind right now):
1. The Commitee should decide the questionable record breakers' cases. (using programmers' /experts' / opinions)
2. The Commitee should represent the minesweeper community just like a sport federation's board represents the sport itself, e.g. giving their names to events, sites, even products.
3. The Commitee should create polls in larger cases (clone results' acceptance, annual re-election etc.) the results of which would be mandatory to the Community.

I know, these sound quite serious, but I think most of us want to take the game to a higher level. So, if such a Commitee is to be made, it has to have rights and prestige. Maybe we should even registrate it in some country. So, look for your lawyer buddies and ask them about it!

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Sep 7th 2005 at 03:28:42 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Best intermediate:  

25x8==>25x9

Comments:  

I will refrain from using the anger/frustration smileys that show my true feelings... (see below)
25,9 on a 44...I actually feel sick... (migraine) Maybe I'll get lucky next time...
@Chill: Elmar got a 49 on expert and an 11 on intermediate using a program that allowed him to make one click upon pressing down the left button and another click upon releasing it.

   
Sep 7th 2005 at 07:43:06 AM
Name:  

Active Ranking

Comments:  

*** Deadline Friday @ 20:00 GMT/ 4pm EDT ***

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Sep 7th 2005 at 04:53:58 AM
Name:  

chill

Comments:  

It hqs been a century since Ive been here or even swept, because of my crashed computer. So I didnt have enough time to read everything, but to me the idea of a comittee seems great. I zont vote though because of my lack of time. But what Id like to know, whats this Elmar-double-click-story?

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Sep 6th 2005 at 08:35:22 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Comments:  

sorry about the millions of smilies... or rather frownies... in the last message

   
Sep 6th 2005 at 06:02:41 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Best intermediate:  

25x7==>25x8

Comments:  

25,7 on a 45 [Duh2 ]
btw I have two missed 24s and two missed 23s on last clicks- I always find a way to mess it up in the end... Maybe the next sub-26 will be luckier...

@Damien and all: UPK times posted at my site's guestbook
@Rodrigo: congrats!

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Sep 6th 2005 at 09:28:43 AM
Name:  

Rodrigo

Best expert:  

66, 67 --> 66, 67x2

Comments:  

Wow! Some days ago I got my 2nd best intermediate time, a 16. Yesterday I got my 2nd best expert time, a 67.03 (almost 66 ). It is better than my previous 66 and 67, because both were achieved on 112 and 106 3BV boards, respectively. This new 67 was on a 130 3BV board, much more normal!!

Video is here:
http://www.geocities.com/minesweeperclone/rodrigo67x2.zip


Happy sweeping everybody!

   
Sep 6th 2005 at 07:49:41 AM
Name:  

WP

Comments:  

A suggestion: maybe those who are voted for could be contacted to make sure that they would accept being on the committee. If they don't want to be on the committee, those who voted for them might as well vote for someone else (if they have someone in mind) Otherwise there might be some votes going down the drain.

   
Sep 6th 2005 at 05:44:15 AM
Name:  

IMC

Comments:  

I should remind you that all the VOTES ARE COLLECTED SECURELY. We all know who, what and why deserves, without a look to the bestever etc.

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Sep 6th 2005 at 05:32:38 AM
Name:  

Ralph

Comments:  

Jeezuz Christ Dion - awesome

   
Sep 6th 2005 at 05:06:23 AM
Name:  

Ace

Best expert:  

57

Best intermediate:  

15

Best beginner:  

1

Comments:  

It's difficult to vote like that, I don't have 7 names to vote for.
But I'll vote anyway, by sending the names to the IMC address...

   
Sep 5th 2005 at 09:50:22 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Comments:  

I just voted:
Dion Tiu- deserves it, but doesn't seem to have enough votes
Damien Moore- deserves it
Grégoire Duffez-deserves it
Dan Cerveny-deserves it
Roman Gammel-deserves it, has some nice ideas
Elmar Zimmermann- it's time we forgive him for the double-click method
Christoph Marx- deserves it, a leader in the community

I voted mainly for the players with whom I am most familiar, and no, I didn't vote based on their views... Instead of IMC, maybe it should be called the Minesweeper Supreme Court

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Sep 5th 2005 at 08:22:29 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Comments:  

...if only politics worked that way

   
Sep 5th 2005 at 07:04:45 PM
Name:  

Dennis Lütken

Comments:  

OR just vote for the people you think deserve to be a part of the IMC, regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

   
Sep 5th 2005 at 04:48:01 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Comments:  

@Dion- congrats on your record... amazing!
@all: to make the IMC like a real democracy, be sure to vote for players that share your views by reading old guestbook posts and looking at the results of old polls at the minesweeper addicts group...

   
Sep 5th 2005 at 04:07:38 PM
Name:  

Dennis Lütken

Comments:  

@Dion: Congrats! You're in a leauge of your own! Really nice game! I guess I did forget about one of the big players... sorry. I'd like to add you if I could add a 7th player!

   
Sep 5th 2005 at 02:10:29 PM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

-->

   
Sep 5th 2005 at 02:09:29 PM
Name:  

Dmit

Comments:  

use the deduction. detecting current IMC creator is easy. of course this is not me.

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Sep 5th 2005 at 01:45:08 PM
Name:  

AreOut

Comments:  

Well, as you arent Stevan Gvozdenovic, we will believe you

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Sep 5th 2005 at 12:35:34 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Comments:  

@Damien: Can you tell from your administrator privileges on the guestbook who is running the IMC? (Check IP numbers, etc)

   
Sep 5th 2005 at 09:10:44 AM
Name:  

Serpent_e

Comments:  

Roman Gammel
Dan Cerveny
Dion Tiu
Sergey Polienko
Detrusor

   
Sep 5th 2005 at 08:22:02 AM
Name:  

Dion Tiu

Best intermediate:  

11x4

Comments:  

I have equalled Dan's record of number of 11s. You wont believe how fast I finished my 4th 11.
On a 56 3bv board @ 5.11 3bv/s

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Sep 5th 2005 at 04:09:38 AM
Name:  

Dennis Lütken

Comments:  

Here are my votes if such a commitee is to be formed. I hope I didn't forget about someone 'important' in the community


Martin Toft Madsen
Rodrigo Camargo
Oliver Scheer
Damien Moore
Roman Gammel
Dan Cerveny
Grégoire Duffez

Nice idea, by the way!

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Sep 4th 2005 at 03:00:54 PM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

I'm simply too lazy to enter it each time I post...

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Sep 4th 2005 at 02:53:37 PM
Name:  

James C

Comments:  

@Elmar: Can you e-mail me, if you aren't willing to post your own address on here?

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Sep 4th 2005 at 02:25:00 PM
Name:  

Rodrigo

Comments:  

Hi everybody!

I would like to share with you guys my happiness for having finally finished my university studies! Last friday I graduated and now I am officially an Engineer.

Funny thing is that yesterday, after coming home from the party, at around 5:00am, before going to bed, I played for like 3 minutes, and finished a 90 on expert, at the highest blood alcohol-level that I ever tried to sweep!!

However, I won't be out of the university yet. In january, I'll go for my Master Degree. Until there, I'll have just some sporadic classes. A professor of mine wants me to use this period to "get used" to my new studies.

Who knows if I can finally beat my times until there??

I didn't read well the IMC stuff, but in its concern, I would consider thinking about names if the person who wrote in name of it reveals herself/himself.

Happy sweeping everyone!!

   
Sep 4th 2005 at 04:09:51 AM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

heh, i agree with Christoph..

   
Sep 4th 2005 at 04:05:42 AM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

@IMC-secretary:
1. it is not the good way of collecting the hidden votes for the "IMC" members.
2. as well as the way to instruct a Community Member(s) thinking that "IMC" will make _correct_ decisions in situations when "public discussion is useless and inefficient, sometimes to prevent claims of unrealistic results". you know, public discussion are effective, becaus there would be showed all the available opinions, but not only: "shut up, "IMC" said so!"

if you claim that community could not make a normal cheat proof for so called elmar's cheating technique and (maybe) for some others discussions. the "IMC" sometimes has not prior knowledges of the cheat defense concepts, therefore you should agree that "IMC" would not solve some problems. IMO the public discusson here, at the International Community Guestbook are the most efficient way. heh, about choosing ppl only form bestever..

next, if the "IMC" ever should exist, the elections should go in this way:
1. for a limited thime there would be a free-to-view list of sweepers who have currently submitted their names.
2. (optionally) for a limited time there would be opened a poll (between sweepers who passed the 1st stage) about n of sweepers who may be an "IMC" member.
3. if this n-of-IMC-members-list ever created, the rest of Community should vote for their acceptance.
4. if failed, repeat 2nd phase.

sweep on

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Sep 4th 2005 at 03:52:18 AM
Name:  

Christoph

Comments:  

The IMC is a great idea. I'd like to know who has created this email adress. Anyway, I just voted. And I'd like to make my vote public because I want to start some talking about that topic here. I would like to hear something from the people who would like to be member of the IMC. So here's my vote:
Oliver Scheer
Damien Moore
Roman Gammel
Dan Cerveny
Grégoire Duffez
Nagy Gergely
Christoph Nikolaus Marx
I know Oliver, Damien, and Roman from the meetings in Budapest and Vienna and I'm sure that they are trustworth so I voted for them meanwhile they are top10 players. Dan, well he's a important member of the community for a long time. It doesn't matter if I like Grégoire where it's undoubtable what he has done for the community. Gergely and I organized the minesweeper meetings (so of course I know him) I think also our engagement for the community makes us good candidates for the IMC.
I thought also about Elmar and Robert. I didn't vote for Elmar because of the way he introduced his click-technique to the community and because the election is so short after this event. Robert didn't got a vote from me because I don't like the idea that two members of the IMC are from the same city (that could influence the decitions of the committee).

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Sep 4th 2005 at 02:54:07 AM
Name:  

Grégoire Duffez

Comments:  

@James: my opinion about intermediate times is simple. Due to the major risk of UPK (even if it just helps to get the good opening for example), we shouldn't accept ANY time achieved on Microsoft Minesweeper...

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Sep 4th 2005 at 02:39:49 AM
Name:  

International Minesweeper Committee

Comments:  

From the point of view of last events concerned with Elmar's method of playing minesweeper community showed itself as an organization which is unable to make decisions what is considered as a cheat and what is legal. Existing methods of decision making (guestbook, yahoo group polls) are not enough effective. The suggestion is to create elective International Minesweeper Committee. This committee will make decisions in situations when public discussion is useless and inefficient, sometimes to prevent claims of unrealistic results.

IMC will be composed of seven players with sufficient experience. Elections will be annual, all sweepers of community can vote. Any of elected IMC members can refuse his membership at any time, community will choose another player to replace him. Discussions within IMC are nonpublic, but all decisions will be published.

Please vote by sending e-mail to i.m.c@hotmail.com, you can choose up to seven players from bestever. All information about your e-mail/vote is confidental. The results this elections are hidden until the end of elections, they will be published on September,15.

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Sep 4th 2005 at 02:36:16 AM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

Other than that I think it's on a case to case basis. I believe it was Paul who undeniably showed that there are enough boards out there to get a sub10 UPK on...

   
Sep 4th 2005 at 02:22:59 AM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

The current stance is:
Just Play On The Clone People, For Pete's Sake!

   
Sep 3rd 2005 at 08:03:46 PM
Name:  

James C

Comments:  

Okay, I have a problem... without any further information, what is the current stance on a game achieved on an unfamiliar shift of a familiar board that is not the Dreamboard? I need input on this and if you contact me, I can send you a txt vid of the game.

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Sep 3rd 2005 at 03:48:21 PM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Best intermediate:  

just beaten my int sub30 barrier (200 games)

Comments:  

24*7, 25*13, 26*15, 27*40, 28*44, 29*81
best 3bv = 78
best speed = 2,69

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Sep 3rd 2005 at 03:47:14 PM
Name:  

UPK

Comments:  

The overall rankings are as follows:

1. Gero Wälz
2. Damien Moore
3. Elmar Zimmermann
4. Christoph Marx
5. Arjádre
6. Dmitriy Sukhomlynov

Congratulations to all who participated! As you will soon see, rankings 1,2, and 3 were extremely close.

There will be a rankings page at http://arjadre.bravehost.com soon...

   
Sep 3rd 2005 at 12:03:45 PM
Name:  

UPK

Comments:  

1 hour left to submit scores. Don't miss your chance to get a good ranking!

   
Sep 3rd 2005 at 11:39:29 AM
Name:  

Ralph

Best expert:  

71

Best intermediate:  

20

Best beginner:  

2

Comments:  

Just to give my opinion on Elmar's clicking technique - I agree that minesweeper is more of a challenge mentally, than physical skill. Physical skill is involved more in the movement of the mouse than simply clicking the buttons. I'm sure we've all clicked a mouse button millions of times!

What I mean is, I think its more a mental ability that my times are not faster than they are. For example, I've saved and played the board which Dion acheived a 11.98 on int (32 3bv). Now, if I was to get that board during normal play, I'd probably get a low 20sec if i was playing well. Now, with a little practice, I was able to acheive a 12 on that board by mimicing the way Dion cleared the board. Hence for my time on that board, i am not limited by my speed of clicking or even mouse movement, but instead by my pattern recognition and ability to instantly calculate the fastest method of clearing an area on the board.

Just a thought.

   
Sep 2nd 2005 at 08:29:42 PM
Name:  

UPK

Comments:  

just a reminder: screenshots and/or videos are NOT necessary for this period

   
Sep 2nd 2005 at 08:25:55 PM
Name:  

UPK

Comments:  

UPK deadline Saturday 3/9 at 20:00 UTC (4 PM EDT)

to submit scores, email them to the address below or post them in this guestbook or the guestbook of the site below

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Sep 2nd 2005 at 05:49:09 PM
Name:  

max benitez

Best expert:  

105

Best intermediate:  

35

Best beginner:  

4

Comments:  

This game will give me a heart attack.

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Sep 2nd 2005 at 05:00:45 PM
Name:  

Louis

Best expert:  

83.52 ---> 82.49 NF

Best intermediate:  

19

Best beginner:  

2

Comments:  

well improve it a bit ! finally....
does anyone knows what's the ratio of flaggers compare to NF id like to know :P
BTW miss a 69 last week...

   
Sep 2nd 2005 at 03:45:35 PM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

@Jeff: my best beginners time in january was 6 seconds.... with about 170 expert and 45 intermediate... now it is 1-24-86. You just need to learn some board patterns --> pictures with solutions how to sweep them. then, read some how-to-play advices IMO the best are at bomb-minesweeper.de but you may find the whole compilation at arjadre.bravehost.com

hope, soon we will see you beating your hi-scores few times in a day!

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Sep 2nd 2005 at 03:11:54 PM
Name:  

Jeff

Comments:  

is 6 seconds good?

   
Sep 2nd 2005 at 03:11:14 PM
Name:  

Jeff

Best expert:  

i forget, but it's been cleared.

Best intermediate:  

i forget, but it's been cleared.

Best beginner:  

6

Comments:  


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Sep 2nd 2005 at 02:29:27 PM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

Cool, now all that's left to be done is to update the bestever!

   
Sep 2nd 2005 at 11:29:32 AM
Name:  

Grégoire Duffez

Comments:  

i've just done an update on clone rankings

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Sep 2nd 2005 at 06:54:46 AM
Name:  

Rasmus H. Jensen

Comments:  

Am I the only one who can't get on planet-minesweeper?

Oh and Gregoire, are you gonna update the clone rankings anytime soon? Itching to see my stats...

   
Sep 1st 2005 at 07:45:30 PM
Name:  

Arjádre

Best intermediate:  

25x6==>25x7

Comments:  

NOW Dmitriy and I have the same problem, I sec apart... 25,53 on a 53. (Sorry, Dmitriy, you were wrong about my next sub-26...
I now have about 55-65 sub-30s, with about 450 int games finished on clone...

   
Sep 1st 2005 at 02:59:44 PM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Best intermediate:  

BV/s 2,66 -----> 2,69

Comments:  

a total becames 3,22 (already beaten, but have no file) + 2,69 + 2,00 = 7,91

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Sep 1st 2005 at 02:02:02 PM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Best intermediate:  

after returning: 3BV/s 2,47 --> 2,53 (best is 2,66)

Comments:  

hell.. sorry, i am *******. of course the 0.05 is the lowest replay speed rate to view... sorry. i just mailed you a proof.

i told Oli via chat that WE will not talk about subj here as no one interested.

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Sep 1st 2005 at 01:41:22 PM
Name:  

AreOut

Comments:  

I cant slow it down less than 0.05. Arbiter 0.41

Again, tell me exactly what do you think on.

Oli if I went PM everybody would say "you dont wanna tell it public so you are a cheater"

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Sep 1st 2005 at 08:50:01 AM
Name:  

Oli

Comments:  

@Stevan/Dimiriy
Would you do me a favor and keep your silly game of "i cheated on your clone"
"ah i know how you did that"
"no i think i cheated very good" to pm?

   
Sep 1st 2005 at 06:58:35 AM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

i had written try to set the replay speed to 0.01 but not to 0.05 which is too fast.

   
Sep 1st 2005 at 06:36:43 AM
Name:  

AreOut

Comments:  

Dmitriy I replayed 41 with 0.05 speed and found nothing strange. Tell me exactly what are you suspicious on

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Sep 1st 2005 at 06:31:03 AM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

".. i can't see how the pure clicking like crazy could be considered as a mental challenge... "

i can't imagine how the entire community of crazy clickers existed for so long before an new easier way to click was found...

   
Sep 1st 2005 at 02:04:17 AM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

@James C: That's what I've been trying to tell you guys all this time. The only difference with my method is, that it's more fun to play, because finger doesn't hurt like jack after some time of playing (luckily I got that 50 after only 90min of playing. ). I'll probably end up like Dan now, with a finger that won't allow me to continue, but if that's what you want....

@Dion: I consider the clicking a mental challenge as long as it concerns finding the most efficient sequence of clicks to solve a situation (# of clicks and length of path). And that's something that doesn't get lost with my technique except that I could execute that sequence without braking my finger. However, I can't see how the pure clicking like crazy could be considered as a mental challenge...

   
Aug 31st 2005 at 09:28:45 PM
Name:  

James C

Comments:  

That's a nice looking game Elmar. I never doubted or questioned your skill. In fact, I pointed out that the whole situation was a little sad because you probably could make those scores on those boards without the silly program to begin with.

   
Aug 31st 2005 at 09:03:19 PM
Name:  

Dmitriy

Comments:  

@Stevan: i will not tell here how you did your arbiter's 41 sec because of obvious reasons, including that we just chatted on a pm about this, and i liked that 2 of my theorethical solutions of the proof were right.

when i was disconnected (my inet account money finished), i decided to review that vid at a 0.01 speed ratio and saw the obvious effects of the external influence: just look at the 3,07 - 3,25 second of a file to get the image. i caught you on a hot: look at the cursor movements, lmao. it looks buuuggy! this would be the final, 3rd point to close this fake_41.avf subject discussion.

have phun / sweep on!

@rodrigo, if you are reading your e-mail box, give me to know. we have something interesting to discuss. let us continue our "normal dialog".

@elmar: lol, i have "Open Your Mind" rule at my PlayerID_text of replay files since the very beginning of mysweeping.

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Aug 31st 2005 at 08:51:22 PM
Name:  

Dion Tiu

Comments:  

@Elmar: How did this method let you pass this physical barrier? I mean, looking at your past vids, CLEARLY you have not maxed out your ability to click faster. Anyone can click as fast as the best, but harnessing and refining that power is what is true skill. SO, i dont see this 'physical barrier' of clicking as a limit, but as a skill factor, where you have to combine both hand co-ordination and your mental ability.

   
Aug 31st 2005 at 05:05:56 PM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

ok, détrusor's ftp works again. this link defintely works. sorry, for the triple post.

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Aug 31st 2005 at 04:56:08 PM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

link doesn't seem to work.
if it still doesn't follow below and go to the bottom of this site, or go to the yahoo group.

http://www.planete-demineur.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=8539#8539

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Aug 31st 2005 at 04:51:15 PM
Name:  

Elmar

Best expert:  

NF: 63 --> 50,96

Comments:  

If anybody ever challenged my skills


This one goes out to all open minds....
May they overcome all restrains forced upon them!!



follow the link for the vid...

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Aug 31st 2005 at 02:22:46 PM
Name:  

Elmar

Best expert:  

48

Best intermediate:  

11

Best beginner:  

1

Comments:  

After a long debate on the chat I've come to a conclusion. There are two different convictions.

I think minesweeper was created as a challenge for the mind. It wasn't expected that the speed of clicking would be a problem. Through pattern recognition most of us have reached a point where clicking is the limiting factor. My method can be seen as a way to allow us to move past this physical barrier on to a higher level of mental challenge. I would like to go down that road and let us find a new limit.

Others think that clicking fast is meant to be an important part of playing minesweeper. That fraction is opposed to anything that would allow clicking faster than a mouse setup including a simple left and a right mouse button.

There is probably no way to conciliate these two convicitons...

   
Aug 31st 2005 at 01:55:12 PM
Name:  

AreOut

Comments:  

Elmar I understand your point. However I cant see too much difference between my 41 where I did 7 c/s clicking with both hands and your 49...guess if you are a cheater Im a cheater too

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Aug 31st 2005 at 11:22:18 AM
Name:  

Elmar

Comments:  

@James C: About the efficieny, you should see my other videos, 50% of my clics are usually waste!

About the doubleclick r+g, yes it can be done with the 1 1/2 clicks (chording). But when you program a third button to do it you can also do it right after a left click which is something you cannot when chording.

Your idea of the advantage is very theorique. Please try the method and tell me what you got.

About keeping it all a secret, 90% of the discussion on this topic happened on the chat. You weren't there and therefore missed most of it, so please don't accuse me of things like that. My comment on Roman's post was a joke. I knew from the start that anybody with some knowledge of sweeping would see the cl/s right aways. I actually had talked to Rogen via MSN right before that post and told him what I had done.
I also talked about it with some of the members of détrusor's forum before the 49.
I just didn't see much use in publishing it here before I got a decent time. All I wanted was a sub55, so people would even bother to talk about it... I never imagined I could get a sub50 that fast and even less an 11. Again those were two superb boards. I didn't have any estimates close to those two times.
I would really appreciate if people tried this method for once so we can finally have a well-founded discussion instead of this raging histeria.

   
Aug 31st 2005 at 11:18:14 AM
Name:  

Grégoire Duffez

Best expert:  

54.78 > 54.48

Comments:  

2 things...

first, i'm proud to have done another 54... it's been long time since i ever did such a good time :)

second, i'll be short to explain my opinion about Elmar's mouse setup: i'm strictly opposed to accept scores with this technique in all current rankings, because:
- this uses a method which ISN'T in the game rules. They explain the double click, but not a word on this mouse setup! In my opinion, this point is far enough to refuse the technique

...I won't talk about obvious increased speed, senseless actual records (made with normal clicking), and open future for potential hackers (why not putting a new setup, beside Elmar's one: pushing right click puts a flag, releasing does a l+r click. Wouldn't it be ovious unfairness? of course it is. Although this is strictly the same trick, but with one more step)

Last, i get rid of endless debates

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Aug 31st 2005 at 10:50:13 AM
Name:  

damien

Comments:  

this isn't on topic, but i'd like to say that i'm moving and won't have internet for at least three weeks. i updated the site today.

   
Aug 31st 2005 at 10:48:37 AM
Name:  

James C

Comments:  

80 clicks on a 32 board by a sub-50 player? Yeah that looks pretty controlled. I have a hard time believing that there weren't times where you were just clicking as fast as you could, which you even partially admitted. What you did actaully WAS the same as my example because you set your mouse button to do two actions instead of the normal one. If you think this is fair play, then do you want a real example? By my experience, using Sorin's click chart, a good sharp single click takes 6/100ths of a second. Your method makes two clicks in that same amount of time. I once finished a game with 3 perfect clicks in .34 seconds. Your method, although maybe less efficient, could easily make 4 clicks in .2 or less, and that time does add up. It could be the difference between a 15 and a 17 for two, otherwise equal players.

Now you say that your method should be the same as setting a 3rd button to do l+r. Well, I say that that is also not true because...

a) That method is probably cumbersome at best. Since I have never heard of anyone that actually successfully uses that method, especially not a top player, I would have to conclude that it does not help.

b) You actually can accomplish a double click with one mouse action. You yourself have admitted to using the 1 1/2 method. I use it as well, although I didn't even know it until I downloaded Sorin's recorder.

You also say that you didn't keep it a secret because you discussed it with Detrusor. Well, that's not entirely true. And so what if you told him and he thought it was okay. Detrusor is a fair guy, but despite what he may think, he is NOT the sole authority on what should or should not be acceptable by the standards of the COMMUNITY.

Let's look at a few facts.

You never mentioned anything in this forum about it. You posted new NF records of 59, and then 57. Okay cool, you already sub-50ed you're just getting used to NF no biggie. Then you post the 49. Well done, you got a good lucky board. Nobody even questioned it, though it would have been a shock considering all the other attempts at an NF sub-50.

Then you post the 11. Roman pointed out that it was fishy, to which you replied, "What about it?" THEN is when you should have admitted what you did, but you chose not to.

Jan posted on here something about you guys discussing a "new method" in IRC or some equivelant. She said she liked it.

It was then and ONLY then that you admitted in this forum what was going on.

Here is the conclusion that I have come to. Elmar HIMSELF, doesn't even fully believe that this method is or should be 100% acceptable. It was only after getting some off-line support that he came forward. He is posting on here in HOPE that someone else will come forward and say okay, cool. Congratulations on your 11.

Well either way, it's either going to update in the bestever or not, there's not really much I can do about it, and there really isn't much more for me to say, I guess.

   


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