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Apr 29th 2004 at 01:57:46 AM |
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Dave Morgan |
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The best way to make camtasia work better is to run in 256 colour mode Assuming 2k is the same as xp, then you need to right click on the camtasia icon (or a shortcut), and click properties and you should be able to find the option somewhere There are other things you can do, but I haven't used camtasia for a while, and I don't have access to a windows computer right now But, to record "videos" it's much easier to use either one of the clones, or get Sorin's recorder program from the minesweeper addicts yahoo group |
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Apr 29th 2004 at 12:38:45 AM |
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Xiaohu Zhang |
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54, several days ago |
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Catamasia doesn't work very well on my PC. With Catamasia on, the computer becomes very slow. So I never use it when I play the minesweeper. Maybe I have something set up incorrectly? ![]() ![]() As mentioned by a few post by somebody here, fraud does exist here. One can practice on certain boards repeatedly, and some bugs/programs/viruses in the computer can make the random number generator generate the same number repeatedly. This is bad. I suspect that some really good scores here might not be from fair play. Personally, I never practice with those clones and only play the standard Win 2K game. What I often dream about, is a real life competition with all players playing under the same roof at the same time. If I were Bill Gates, I would host such a competition, and, anybody who can guarantee a score under 60sec in one day's play will get reimbursed for all the cost of transportation/lodging expenses. Anybody who can get a score under 50 sec will be rewarded $10,000. And, the best player(s) will get $1,000,000. And, the guy who proposes this competition, will get $100,000. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 28th 2004 at 11:48:28 PM |
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Georgi |
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Damien, GB counter stands at 2000. Can you archive it. It was over 3200 several week ago - a lot of posts must be lost ![]() |
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Apr 28th 2004 at 12:56:16 PM |
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Katy LaVallee |
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don't worry about it james... as long as you are trying to clarify (and you have), i think people will understand. it happens to everyone sometimes... let me tell ya! |
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Apr 28th 2004 at 11:07:14 AM |
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Dave Matson |
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@ James: Are you trying to send the .mvf or .avi? Please send the .mvf if possible. I'm asking because maybe your file was too big....I have 2 MB left, so even if you were sending the .avi it should have still went through. Try again, the email below is the correct one. |
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Apr 28th 2004 at 10:04:14 AM |
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Name: |
Hopsing |
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Dave's mail is davematson2000@yahoo.ca and I really like the "6 kajillion"-joke ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 28th 2004 at 09:16:38 AM |
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James |
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@everyone: I am not really trying to stir things up. I am still a new guy on here, so sorry if I am out of place at times. My friends don't play, so there is nowhere else for me to gather information. I don't want to have to stop coming here because I get involved in endless heated discussions/arguments. I also hope people understand some of the exagerations that I have used. @Dave: Did you get my e-mail? I think it rejected. Is your address on here good? |
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Apr 28th 2004 at 07:55:56 AM |
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Name: |
James |
Best expert: |
92 |
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Just a few more things that I wanted to add before I ran out of room. I posted my expert time on here for a reason. I want to show that I am not a threat to taking over anyones position on the AR. I don't even know where to view or submit times to the AR anyway, let alone have a chance to be in the top 4000 or so players. The way it seems, maybe we shouldn't even have the clone to play in cheat mode. So what if I practice on an easy board? It doesn't change the fact that I mess up a lot in an actual real time game. The way the odds of things happening work, by the time I see the freamboard again, my record may be lower than it is now. As far as that goes, I got a board on the clone last week with a 3BV of 23. Guess what...I butchered the hell out of it and didn't even post a score. So all this talk about cheating by practicing a certain board is bunk. As far as that goes, I happen to think that the luck of getting a good board is part of the game. All that talk last week about restricting 3bv limits is just people crying about nothing. If I got the 1 possible board combination out of 6 kajillion in expert with a 3BV of 5 that some microsoft programmer put in as a joke, then I say it's a record. It's like you walk into a Ferrari dealership and the guy tells you, "You can't buy this car because you won the money in the lottery." Well if that happens, then you find another dealer. I am not submitting times to anywhere, but if I did, they would be legit, because I am not a cheater. Even if I did get the dreamboard again tomorrow and knock 5 full seconds off my intermediate time, then so what? I still wouldn't total out under 100, so it's not like I am taking away anything from anyone. Okay, sorry for that defensive ranting. |
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Apr 28th 2004 at 07:33:01 AM |
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James |
Best expert: |
92 |
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I think some people are taking some of the comments that I have made to the extreme. I haven't been posting here very long, so maybe I didn't realize how they were going to come off. Please allow me to try and clarify my position: Yes, I have replayed the dream board approximately 20 times in the clone cheat mode. Yes, I will most likely be able to recognize it if the first hit is in the right spot. Yes, it will likely be a new low for me to the tune of a 16 or 17 if I find the board again. But, the only reason I replayed it was out of curiosity as to how fast I could do it. My record low is a 21, and it was on the dreamboard, but I did not recognize it until after it was complete. It was a legitimate score. Even before that happened, I watched Matt's video and wondered how fast I could play it. The clone just happened to give me that opportunity. I DO NOT: 1. Play the dreamboard for hours every day. 2. Hit F2 over and over again looking for the dreamboard or any other easy board. I don't even hit the same spot first in any mode of play. 3. Plan on submitting any time achieved on the dreamboard with out telling anyone the circumstances under which it was achieved. |
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Apr 28th 2004 at 03:15:03 AM |
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Christoph Marx |
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@Dave: I'm not sure about that, but there are other easy boards to practice. |
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Apr 28th 2004 at 02:07:47 AM |
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Dave Morgan (djm) |
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I thought that (new) scores on the dream board had stopped being accepted for AR/best ever a while ago, but maybe I'm wrong |
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Apr 28th 2004 at 12:06:43 AM |
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Christoph Marx |
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@James: ![]() ![]() ![]() Well, parhaps every board that is practiced by someone should be banned from the rankings. It's not that you achieve a new world record, every time you play on the board will be kind of cheating. I often watch my vids, but not to learn the board but to find my mistakes. Everytime I hear that someone wants to compare his scores achieved on a practiced board with the scores of people who doesn't cheat, i get realy upset! But I guess, there will always be players of that kind. Perhaps we can satisfy them by adding a new feature to the AR? For every period there could be a period board. Players can practice it as long as they want and there will be a ranking for this particular board. Than you can practice in a fair way. But it's not the sense of the game to F2 as long as you need to get your board. regards Chrsitoph Marx |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 01:07:34 PM |
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Dave Matson |
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@ James: Yeah, ship it on over! I like seeing other styles of play. |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 11:25:59 AM |
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Name: |
James |
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@Dave: You want the 99? |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 11:20:08 AM |
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James |
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@Lance: I hear what you are saying, and you are right, but there are 4 points in my favor... 1. I am using the clone at least 90% of the time for the sake of video. 2. Who even knows when and if I will get it again. 3. I'll probably mess up and hit a wrong square anyway if I do get it (I have only "practiced" it 20 times or so) 4. My new low will not likely be even close to a world record. Accepted or not I will beat everyone I know in real life. I also can assure you I would take much more pride in a 19.99 on the clone video on any random board I can get. |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 10:54:11 AM |
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Lance |
Best expert: |
55 |
Best intermediate: |
13 |
Best beginner: |
1 |
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@James - be very careful here - you said that you have been practicing the dreamboard and the next time you see it you will achieve a new low scores. This new low score will be seen by the community as a fraud - a cheat. Because you have been practicing it, it is no longer a random board that tests your true abilities. You will have an unfair advantage. That board is well known for its simplicity. Matt's 10 isn't the lowest score to have been achieved on it. With even greater foreknowledge, Roland Seibt got a 9 and Steffan Stachna got an 8. Neither of which the majority of the community accept as valid. I encourage you - and all players - to switch to the clone for intermediate, because at this time this is the only way to guarantee that a player won't use foreknowledge of a board to achieve a good time. That protects the community from bogus, unreal times and protects the sweeper from accusations of such. I think this is very important, and I have noticed that practicing a board is how many players who are "new" to the community choose to lower their scores. It is not valid, and it is not acceptable. Please don't fall into the same mindset and make the same mistakes! Thanks! Happy sweeping, Lance |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 10:21:48 AM |
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Dave Matson |
Best expert: |
83 |
Best intermediate: |
25 |
Best beginner: |
3 |
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@ James: Hey James, could you send me that vid??? I'd be interested in seing it. ![]() |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 09:06:57 AM |
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James |
Best expert: |
92 |
Best intermediate: |
21 |
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@Stevan: Are you saying you are suspicious that it's real or suspicious that he knew the board? That board was when I made my 21, and I have replayed it down to a 13.6 (in cheat mode of course.) I am nowhere near as fast as some of these guys, so I have no doubts about his 10. In fact, his site shows that it has been tied recently. I am sure I won't play it perfectly next time I get it, but it will be a new low time for me when it happens. @Marc... That's exactly what I am saying. You don't have the speed, so you make up for it with efficiency. I am not even claiming to have that kind of speed, but of the two ways to do it, speed is my best shot. It just gave me some hope to see that you don't have to play perfect to get a low time. I read about these guys on here going NF sub 20's at 90% efficiency (or something like that) and it can be discouraging. After I got my 92 I couldn't break 100 again, so I started slowing down trying to make fewer mistakes and it just doesn't work for me. I finally got a 99 last night. That may not be a big deal to most of the people on here, but it was for me. It was only my second sub-100 and it was the first one on the clone so that I can actually have a video. I didn't have to play the board perfect to do it either. Now I just need to work on the next 10 seconds. |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 05:48:58 AM |
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Name: |
Gustaf Forsman |
Best expert: |
67 -> 64 |
Comments: |
Hehe.. Finally after 5 * 67 i made the 64! ![]() I'll upload the video if anyone wants it. Happy sweeping!! |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 05:04:32 AM |
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Name: |
Stevan |
Comments: |
Fine drawing Marcx ![]() |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 04:20:41 AM |
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Marc Schouten |
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James: Some of us don't have Lasse's insane speed and have to rely on greater efficiency and mouse control ![]() Perhaps I should be using past tenses here, since I don't play anymore, by the way.. ![]() |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 03:35:00 AM |
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Dave Morgan (djm) |
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Matt admits that he had watched the video of his previous record (which was also on the dreamboard) lots of times, so you didn't need to watch it to work that out ![]() |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 03:09:42 AM |
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Stevan |
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I'm too suspicious about Matts 10, however if you are one who made 38 accelerated vid... |
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Apr 27th 2004 at 12:03:22 AM |
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James |
Best expert: |
92 |
Best intermediate: |
21 |
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Just wanted to add a couple of cents about the skeptic post. The first time I saw Matt's intermediate 10 on video, it was hard to believe it was human. I also thought he had played the board before, and I am certainly convinced after watching it again. I have re-played the same board in the same way, though not as fast. It is very believable that he knew it that well, especially if it is the dream board, which no one has verified for my earlier post, but anyway. The point I am trying to hit is that I have seen other videos that gave me the same impression. Although I am sure it's not possible, MTM's 51 and Dan's 44 both have a very smooth style to them as if they knew where everything was. I finally got Lasse's 43 to play, and I have to say...the guy is a madman. Not to talk down his skill at all, but he was all over the place. Which all leads up to saying... It gives me some hope. Watching MTM's 51 I am sure I could never achieve any low time in such a manner, but I think I can attack a good board the way Lasse does, just need to keep practicing. I can see how it would look unreal though....unbelievable even. |
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Apr 25th 2004 at 12:49:02 PM |
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Daniele |
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I added a link to Rodrigo's clone on my site. At the moment, the link takes to the site, while waiting for the final program! ![]() |
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Apr 25th 2004 at 06:30:08 AM |
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Dennis Lütken |
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A happy birthday from me as well to Roman and David! ![]() Katy, a congrats to you as well on your highest ranking in the AR so far! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 25th 2004 at 05:11:39 AM |
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Martin Toft Madsen |
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Happy birthday David and Roman! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 25th 2004 at 04:30:50 AM |
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Georgi |
Comments: |
Happy birthday David !!! ![]() Wellcome to the 20s guys ![]() |
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Apr 25th 2004 at 04:17:39 AM |
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Name: |
Roman |
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Happy birthday, David (and me too). ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 25th 2004 at 03:37:06 AM |
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Georgi |
Comments: |
S Dnem Rojdenia, Roman !!! ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 24th 2004 at 10:24:48 PM |
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Name: |
Dan |
Comments: |
Active Ranking has been updated. |
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Apr 24th 2004 at 08:49:57 PM |
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Name: |
Mat Tabacco |
Best expert: |
78 today |
Best intermediate: |
22 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
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o man i wasnt even paying attention i was just playin and listenin to some Ween and Yellow Magic Orchestra mad cooool only 2 seconds left til my goal!! |
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Apr 24th 2004 at 07:11:56 PM |
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Stevan |
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"If someone is lucky enough to get that 50-3BV expert board, however many dozens of standard deviations from the mean (which is about 175), then they can have the world record." If someone is lucky enough...then they can have the world record. David this is not about luck, but comparison to original, as original has its own limitations, it would be fair to implement them in clone as well. If you are sure it wasnt fake, then limits should be 2-20-85. Just my opinion. |
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Apr 24th 2004 at 05:36:12 PM |
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Paul |
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Of course, the fastest time is the fastest time! But, surely, the pains this community goes to to track, validate, and compare times isn't only about who managed to somehow clear the board the fastest, but also about a bit of competition and comparison between individual ability? It strikes me that at some point or other a bunch of players are going to want to factor in 3bv's in comparison of ability (indeed, it has already happened, plenty of posts detail 3bv/sec records, rather than absolute times). Honestly, what does the AR mean when I could sneak in a 44 on a 100 3bv board, while someone (much beter than me) manages a 44 on a 140 3bv board? I appreciate that argument could be taken many directions, but it would be fairly plain to see that plain and simple luck bought me a position I don't deserve on ability alone. (I realise I could go on to say 'the clone should make all board within 10 3bv of 150 3bv, or something similar, though even I think that'd be somewhat drastic). I feel like I've cheated myself when I tear through a game, and see a predicted time thats really low, only to see that the 3bv was tiny, something like "yeah, on that really easy board I rival the best players in the world! Wow, aren't I special!". For just playing the game for the fun of it, of course, just play the original, or play the clone without any (possible) 3bv limitation. But maybe it makes sense to eliminate ridiculously easy boards when talking about records or competition. Beginner was removed from the AR a while ago. It seems slightly bizarre to make that step, but then faulter at the idea of introducing a lower 3bv limit to the clone. |
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Apr 24th 2004 at 04:25:31 PM |
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David Barry |
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Happy birthday to all fellow April 25'ers. To whoever said that the ideal records would be all on, say , 125-3BV boards, this isn't correct. 3BV is an indicator, not an absolute measure of how easy a board is. I think that Damien has a 46 on a >160 3BV. Sorin Manea's 87-3BV board was not because of a bug. Why should we eliminate such a board from the clone? If someone is lucky enough to get that 50-3BV expert board, however many dozens of standard deviations from the mean (which is about 175), then they can have the world record. |
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Apr 24th 2004 at 11:07:43 AM |
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Daniel |
Best expert: |
68 -> 67 |
Comments: |
hmmm |
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Apr 23rd 2004 at 04:45:03 PM |
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Name: |
Lance |
Best expert: |
55 |
Best intermediate: |
13 |
Best beginner: |
1 |
Comments: |
congrats to the large number of recent record breakers! Of course, I will want a copy of your vids from everyone (Katy, I already downloaded yours from your website - nice job!! ![]() |
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Apr 23rd 2004 at 04:27:39 PM |
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Name: |
Stevan |
Comments: |
Yes it was... |
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Apr 23rd 2004 at 03:57:24 PM |
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Name: |
Sceptic |
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there is no way some of these scores are real. I watched the video where the guy got 43... that wasn't human. |
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Apr 23rd 2004 at 10:02:42 AM |
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Name: |
Grégoire Duffez (Detrusor) |
Best expert: |
72 > 64 !!!! |
Best intermediate: |
20 -> 18 !!! |
Comments: |
OMG what a nice day !!!! I've just made a 18 seconds on 49 3BV board, in NF !!! see there for the files : http://www.planete-demineur.com/french/sweepers.php?mode=viewprofile&id=1 |
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Apr 23rd 2004 at 06:45:20 AM |
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Grégoire Duffez (Detrusor) |
Best expert: |
72 > 64 !!!! |
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh !!! Finally !!! I'm so happy.... Only 5 hours before the AR deadline, i broke my expert record from 8 seconds !! I made a very nice 64.53 sec on a 124 3BV noard (1.95 3BV/sec) Unfortunately, i still have that f***g error when i try to read the video.... "Run time error '6' overflow" Click on the 'website' link (**** guestbook) to read the screenshot ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 10:16:14 PM |
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Name: |
Dion |
Best expert: |
46 |
Best intermediate: |
13 |
Best beginner: |
1 |
Comments: |
Wow, just achieved a 1.70 on the minesweeperclone, 3BV=3. I thought i would never encounter such a low 3BV board ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 09:01:25 PM |
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Name: |
Xiaohu Zhang |
Best expert: |
54 |
Best intermediate: |
16 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 05:32:36 PM |
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Name: |
Dennis Lütken |
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@Rodrigo: You deserve a congratulating post of your own (or did I just forget on the other one? ![]() ![]() It's very nice to see that you've beaten you int record by three seconds! My first 21 came as a total surprise too! I would very much like to see the vid! ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 05:28:33 PM |
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Name: |
Dennis Lütken |
Best expert: |
61 |
Best intermediate: |
11 |
Best beginner: |
1 |
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WOW...WOW...WOW...WOW...WOW...WOW...WOW! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() What can I say Katy? I'm stunned! I told you I thought you could go sub-60 soon but I somehow didn't expect it to happen already! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Anyway, CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS CONGRATS ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() @AL: I would very much like to see that 11 vid, please! ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 04:07:34 PM |
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Name: |
Marc Schouten |
Comments: |
Congratulations Katy! Always a special moment when you break the minute barrier ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 02:30:52 PM |
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Name: |
Rodrigo |
Best intermediate: |
24 ===> 21!!!!! |
Comments: |
OH MY GOD!! OH MY GOD!! OH MY GOD!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() What happened to me today?!?!?!?! I simply can't believe it!!! I knew it was going to happen some day, but not for 3 freaking seconds!!!! And not even TODAY!!! YEAH!!! ![]() The video is zipped just because Geocities doesn't support names with spaces on it! Wow! Much better than my previous 24!! Yeah!! Yeah!! ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 01:09:10 PM |
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Stevan |
Comments: |
Heheh...Dennis you've got nice "job" now ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 12:57:09 PM |
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Name: |
Katy LaVallee |
Best expert: |
59!59!59!59!59!... okay i'll stop now. you get the idea. |
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i put the vid up on the page i made for my english paper... i would have given it it's own page... but *some* people were rushing me. hehe... wait'll you see this one, dennis ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 11:22:24 AM |
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Name: |
Stevan |
Comments: |
No Yoni I think it shouldnt... ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 10:27:31 AM |
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Name: |
James |
Best expert: |
92 |
Best intermediate: |
21 |
Comments: |
I have a question.... what is "dreamboard?" Is it a concept meaning any easy board, or is it one specific board? If so, which is it, and what is the 3bv? |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 10:10:53 AM |
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Name: |
Active Ranking |
Comments: |
**** Deadline Friday @ 20:00 GMT/ 4pm EST **** |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 09:25:05 AM |
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Name: |
Yoni Roll |
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congrats Lance, Daniele and Dennis! ![]() My opinion about 3BV limits is that there shouldn't be any, I know about the randomness problems in the original minesweeper and in my opinion those were just problems that should be solved rather than kept. i think every board should be possible and if someone get a 1/1000000000000000000 expert board of 20 3BV then it should be accepted. but whatever I'm not planning on braking a WR anytime :> almost don't get to play minesweeper anyway. ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 08:36:44 AM |
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Name: |
col |
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im a fairly new player and i just downloaded minesweeper clone version i was just wonderin is it a easier version |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 05:03:16 AM |
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Name: |
AL |
Best expert: |
65 |
Comments: |
Hi everyone, Ive been around for a few years now but only hovered in the background and never posted. I check the guestbook fairly regularly though and the last posts have inspired* me to post. I recently got an 11.79 on a 25 3BV board, using Rodrigos 0.76 clone. The board is really quick and easy (although having said that, I still guessed at the top right corner) and I wondered whether the 3BV of 25 is below the proposed cut-off?? It might be a well-known board for all I know (???) although I had a check and know its not the dreamboard. (BTW Ive not just got to 11.79 from no-where ![]() AL * i.e. I was worried whether my score would stand ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 03:02:14 AM |
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Name: |
Gergely |
Comments: |
Oh, and I've almost forgot to congratulate to all the players, who had broken their records in the recent days! ![]() ![]() Keep on spinning! ![]() |
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Apr 22nd 2004 at 02:54:18 AM |
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Name: |
Gergely |
Comments: |
I highly agree with Lasse that it's just a game - and not any more. Looking at the post made here, I fully understand Stephen why he retired. I don't want to hurt anyone, but this 'democracy' thing is a bit too harsh to me. ![]() ![]() ![]() Happy sweeping, all! |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 09:44:52 AM |
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Name: |
Dennis Lütken |
Best expert: |
NF 68 --> 65! |
Best intermediate: |
11 |
Best beginner: |
1 |
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It's nice to see that so many people are participating in the discussion about 3bv limits! I kind of think almost everyone who has posted had a point so I really don't care what we decide to do! Either way we may end up 'hurting' somebody either because we didn't set a limit and somebody gets a really nice score on a very easy board or because we do set a limit of, say 100, and somebody (like Dan) gets a 44 or something even better on a 99 3bv board or lower! It's quite a pickle! ![]() Anyway, what I really came here to tell you all is that I've just improved my NF expert record by another three seconds so now I'm at 65,59! It was on a 138 3bv board! I'm starting to think that perhaps I should just change to NF! I don't really know what to do! My second best time when flagging is also 65 so it's not like there's a big difference for me! I even think I might be able to go sub-60 NF but then again that might be a lot harder than I think! Has anybody who has seen (or want to see) my NF and flagging videos got any advice for me? ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 09:02:04 AM |
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Lasse Nyholm |
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Before I knew minesweeper didn't create boards randomly, I used to think that someone somewhere probably had finished a 1sec expert-board and I imagined that if he/she ever came to this site or mailed it to Damien, it would be put in a section for really special boards, that was counted as something different and unique. Maybe the times have changed too much for that sort of thoughts - I don't care, I just play a game. In my opinion it's up to sweepers individually to decide which score they think of as the record. Since there's no bulletproof proof for any score, that's the way it has to be. So until the game turns pro, and money gets involved, I think I would prefer that there weren't too many rules for playing - it's just a game guys. We play for fun, remember to enjoy it. If you guys want to set limits for 3BV in the clone, it's fine by me - I'll just keep playing. Enjoy - Lanyjé |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 08:56:35 AM |
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Dave Matson |
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I aggree with some of the arguments that have been made so far. I think that if we do not impose restrictions on the 3BV, we are definitely setting us up for an argument later on. If we do NOT set limits on the 3BV, and someone comes along with a miracle board (and attains a world record, of course), we have absolutely no right to complain. That person should get to have that time as the world record, for the simple fact that we have voted to not put restrictions on 3BV. Logically, as a community we can't vote to say "NO" to restrictions, and then tell someone that their amazing score can't be used for a world record! Either we say YES to limits, and tell a person with a record that their time cannot be used, or we say NO to limits and allow their score. We can't have it both ways and vote NO to restrictions, then not let their score count because the 3BV was too low!!! I admit, I will never be even close to the world record, so I guess that I don't really care either way. I would think that the people that have the most to lose here are Lasse, Dan, Lukasz, etc. These people are the ones that should be concerned with this matter. If we don't put limits on the 3BV, I sincerely hope that we don't hear any complaining from the better players in the community, especially since we are allowing this to happen. |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 08:37:25 AM |
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Paul |
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I didn't vote in the poll (I don't think Yahoo group polls have ever been particularly representative) but I might as well throw in my two bits worth. A 2 3bv minimum on beginner would be a wonderful idea. It would eliminate all the one-click-wonder one second games, and while it might not require much skill to attain a one second record, at least it would require some! With a minimum 3bv of 10, maybe it'd even be a valid test of skill! Hasn't part of the, err, dream of the Minesweeper community (as a whole) been to have a version of Minesweeper that has all of the bugs and weaknesses of the original removed? It's certainly my opinion (I don't know about the whole) that one can get *really* lucky with an easy board, and set an unrealistic record (its like running with the wind behind you) - clearly a weakness. A clone can simply cut out the strongest winds. So, sure, why not impose limits. It'd be impossible to make everyone happy by imposing a limit (some would want it higher, some would want it lower), but maybe by doing it now it would avoid arguments later. If the limit was set at, say 100 on expert (err, sorry Dan!) it would go most of the way to eliminating discussion later on. 100 3bv boards are ridiculously easy, but at least that limit would make sure a real freak board wouldn't come along to haunt us. Does anyone even know what the honest Intermediate world record is? If someone sets a new expert world record on a low 3bv board, but half the community suddenly thinks 'wait, that board was too easy, we should have a limit', we'll be in the same situation with the expert record. The more steps we take the avoid that situation, the better. Last point (for now, I could go on forever!). If limits do come about, don't decide them with a poll. Discuss, and agree them. Democracy is bound to leave lots of people unhappy, agreement leaves far fewer that way. |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 04:58:00 AM |
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Joe Caruso |
Best expert: |
79 |
Best intermediate: |
30 |
Best beginner: |
5 |
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Holla im am a baller at this game cant mess with me playa!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 04:24:16 AM |
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Grégoire Duffez (Detrusor) |
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I fully agree with Christoph... Lasse > even if the probability is really really small, it can occur... You said that if someone came with a sub60 3BV board, we would decided whether or not accepting it. This would be a hard decision ; and what if someone got a 68, a 75, a 78 3BV board ? just imagine how can be the debate between the guy who made record and the others... This will be very hot ! Putting a limit is such a simple way to prevent those debates... And if there are limits, it does not change anything for the player ; so saying "i want the clone to be like the original" isn't a real reason. Imo, the only debate is which limit should be implanted ![]() |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 03:51:15 AM |
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Stevan |
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OK, Dennis, if thats not a fake then 2,20,85 should be OK. |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 01:04:31 AM |
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Dennis Lütken |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 01:03:35 AM |
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Dennis Lütken |
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@Stevan: 2 and 20 are okay but 95 is too high! I am sure several examples have been seen of a lower 3bv than that! At least there is a picture of a board on the Yahoo group "Minesweeper Addicts" with a 3bv of 87! It's in the file section in a folder called 'pictures'! Check it out! If that board was actually found on the original then I think the limit should be somewhere between 85 and 90 on the clone as well! @Christoph: Why the hell didn't I vote? Well, I didn't want the vote to be yes and then risk that people wanted an insane limit! If that doesn't make sense to you, then I'm afraid I can't help you! ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 12:56:41 AM |
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Lasse Nyholm |
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I'm not sure whether I voted or not, but if I did I think I voted no - simply because I don't think limits are necessary. I know Christoph has another oppinion and feels strongly about it. But to me it seems like inventing a problem that might not be there. So instead of making solutions to all sorts of problems that might be, I think it's more efficient to solve problems once they occur. I'm sure most sweepers won't accept a new expert record on a sub60 3BV-board, but if that day comes, I'm sure we can solve it then. - Lanyjé |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 12:51:31 AM |
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Georgi |
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Dennis, Those feet records need nice huge feets - now I am sure - you are hobbit ![]() |
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Apr 21st 2004 at 12:46:25 AM |
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Stevan |
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OK Dennis, so 2,20,95 would be OK?!? I dont know for lower 3bv on original MS version, btw poll was not set fair, because MS version HAS limits as Christoph Marx just had written. ![]() |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 11:56:11 PM |
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Christoph Marx |
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@Dennis: If you think that there should be limits: Why the hell you voted 'NO'?????????????????????????????? |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 11:53:11 PM |
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Christoph Marx |
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@Stevan: That's not the real problem with the democracy. The crazy stuff is that so many people vote just to have voted, no matter what they vote for. If I look at the poll and find 17 of 32 votes for "No, I want it to be compareable to the original" I've to be astonished, because there are limits in the original version. Well, of course this limits are set by the weekness of the used random number generator, but they are there, and who has read the later posts about randomness should know that. So the only sense of such limits is to prevent new random algorithms to produce boards which are easier than boards that can be produced by the original version. So such limits would finaly make it compareable to the original. Perhaps, Stevan, it's a bit hasty to say that people thought about their records. I like such polls, it's always funny to read the results. Christoph Marx |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 11:31:37 PM |
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Dennis Lütken |
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Personally I voted no because I didn't know what limit you were proposing! I don't want a limit if it is higher than what is possible to get on the original! It's as simple as that! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 10:20:50 PM |
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Stevan |
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Jon S I know this is democracy but people voted for no limits probably because thats easiest way how they could beat their record ![]() |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 09:07:46 PM |
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Katy LaVallee |
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i forgot to ask, how long were you playing for with your feet dennis? and do you plan to keep doing it? i'm curious to know just how crazy you are. i've just been informed that if i ever play with my feet, i'm grounded from minesweeper for life... LOL. |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 08:04:03 PM |
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Katy LaVallee |
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@Dennis: oh... my... goodness. i just can't bring myself to feel competitive about that, so Congratulations on your new foot records! so tell me... socks or no socks? |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 12:47:51 PM |
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Daniele |
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Ops...i forgot the site ![]() |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 12:45:04 PM |
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Daniele |
Best expert: |
65 |
Best intermediate: |
16 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
Comments: |
Upload completed ![]() ![]() The screenshot is under "campo minato" section, and you can find the video here http://maresias.interfree.it/altro/int_16.mvf |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 08:33:37 AM |
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lukasz malinowski |
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congrats to all record breakers. ![]() @Sthephen: you are right about wasting time playing minesweeper. recently i went to the same conclusion. when i use my computer i often start click shutcut on desktop to minesweeper without being aware of that.i guess that is called an addiction. i don't quit playing, but i decided to reduce it. so i deleted minesweeper and copied it to cd, just to try to play once per sereral days. i think it's a good idea. |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 07:19:07 AM |
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Dave Matson |
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By the way, Dennis....remind me to never use your mouse! ![]() |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 07:04:03 AM |
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Dave Matson |
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Dennis, I don't quite know what to say right now. I really don't. ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 06:42:39 AM |
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Dennis Lütken |
Best intermediate: |
76 |
Best beginner: |
4 |
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I know what you're thinking! Those are not my records... except they are! At least for a particular style of play! I felt crazy and wanted to try something different so I decided to try to play with my feet! My righ foot was controlling the mouse while my left foot was making the clicks! My first finished game on int was 77 on a 59 3bv board and then I got a 76 on a 56 3bv board! I think I can go sub-60 this way! ![]() ![]() ![]() @Lance: Congrats congrats congrats! You've been waiting for this for quite a while! It's so nice to finally see you beat your score! I would very much like to see the vid, please! ![]() @Katy: WOW! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 06:33:32 AM |
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Jon S |
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I concluded the poll about 3BV limits. I know I said I was going to do it a long time ago, but I forgot about it. It seems like people does not want limits, so I guess there won't be any in the clones then ![]() |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 03:56:07 AM |
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Daniele |
Best intermediate: |
17 --> 16 |
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Apr 20th 2004 at 12:46:54 AM |
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Lance |
Best expert: |
55!!! |
Best intermediate: |
13 |
Best beginner: |
1 |
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Well, after that last somewhat downer post, I have some happy news to report: I finally broke my expert record!!! A very nice 55.65 on a 119 3bv board. I was beginning to think I would never match my missed 55 from more than 2 years ago, but I told myself "I'm going to finish one more game before I go to bed", and sure enough, less than 5 minutes later, along comes a 55. I'm very happy about that. I have the video, for anyone who's interested. I think I'll wait a day or two to send it out though, that'll give anyone enough time to say they want it - I'll learn from Katy's experiences ![]() @Stephen - I'm sorry to hear that you feel that you have wasted your time. Perhaps you have, but as long as you just have fun with the game and not let it consume you, it's not a waste. Maybe some people have a hard time finding that line, and that's unfortunate, but it's not fair to criticize the group and it's members for something that we all enjoy. Not that you particularly care, or will ever read this anyway, since you're completely divorcing yourself from everything, but it still needs to be said. @all: happy sweeping ![]() Lance |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 10:49:22 PM |
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Stephen Arnason |
Best expert: |
61 |
Best intermediate: |
16 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
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Are my final times. I am hereby announcing my retirement to minesweeper. i am going to format my computer after exams, including any of my record videos. This game is the BIGGEST waste of time, and it has taken up far too much of my time. I have never actually been addicted to something, and i came to that realization tonight. Good luck to all of you in the future, i won't be checkin this guestbook again. (at least i plan not to, sorry). It was nice to meet you all, very much so. Rodrigo, good luck on perfecting your mp clone. Dennis, that 11 was unbelivable. If you plan on retiring too, good luck with that. I'm 18 years old, and i am up till sometimes 3 in the morning playing minesweeper. I had a 3.92 GPA last semester, and at the rate i am studying now, my GPA will be in the neighbourhood of 3.5. I have a future, and it doesn't involve minesweeper. All traces of minesweeper are gone from my computer, and i intend to keep it that way. Like i can clear a board with 100 mines in a minute. Nobody should spend enough time to be able to do that. well, at least in my humble opinion. Good luck to all who plan to keep playing... and who plan to quit. Kudos to Lanyje, i will never understand how you're so freakin fast. This will be my last post. Bye |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 07:23:23 PM |
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Name: |
Lloyd (piman) |
Best expert: |
71 |
Best intermediate: |
20 ----> 19!!! |
Best beginner: |
1 |
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Finally got a sub 20 on the clone! Technically, it only tied my record which I got on the original version, but now I have a neat video instead of a dorky screenshot. It was on a pretty good 44 3BV board too, which makes it that much sweeter. Time for that sub 70... ![]() |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 01:59:27 PM |
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Rodrigo |
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@Dennis: oh, I simply forgot to reset the high scores file when Martin asked me to give him a copy with his name on it! ![]() @Dave: the only thing new in the version 0.91 beta is that you can see the other player's board when playing multiplayer. It is very nice, makes the game more competitive! ![]() @Katy and Dennis: I would like to see both of your videos! Please e-mail me them also! ![]() |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 12:21:55 PM |
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Lance |
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haha, you probably already know my email address, but I forgot to include it, so here it is below! |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 12:19:53 PM |
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Name: |
Lance |
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Please sign me up for one copy of that video, too, Katy! Congrats on breaking your record! Happy sweeping, Lance |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 08:14:59 AM |
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Name: |
Yoni Roll |
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Congrats Katy! Can you send me the video too? ![]() |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 07:57:58 AM |
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Martin Toft Madsen |
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Congratulations Katy ![]() Pass me the video please. @Denis: I wrote here some time ago that my record was listed in the 0.9 version... Obviously he hasn't changed that... ![]() |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 07:14:54 AM |
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Dave Matson (again) |
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@ Rodrigo: I'm just wondering what is new about 0.91 version over the 0.90 version. Pease, please, please, please say that you made the stats window dockable, so that it can be a part of the game window. Also, please say that you've added the "Browse" feature for the autosave. That would be soooooo cool. ![]() |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 06:10:51 AM |
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Dave Matson |
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Congratulations Katy! That conversation that we had last night must have motivated you! Matybe you were thinking about high fives!!! ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 05:51:04 AM |
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Dennis Lütken |
Best expert: |
NF 83 --> 68!!! |
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Wow, I just beat my NF expert record by 15 seconds, thereby achieving my goal of a sub-70 NF! ![]() It was on a 147 3bv board and it was as close as possible to being a 67 because it just so happened to be a 68.00! ![]() Now only one of my main goals remain: a sub-60 on expert! ![]() @Rodrigo: I had downloaded the 0.91 version twice because I decided to keep a NF version and a flagging version... However, I didn't realise that Martin's 51 was the registered high-score on expert, so the pop-up sign didn't come up when I got my 68.00 and I didn't get to register that as my record! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 04:23:08 AM |
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Dennis Lütken |
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Congrats Katy! That's wonderful! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 02:37:52 AM |
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Christoph Marx |
Best expert: |
61 |
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@everyone: Up to now it seems, that there are only very few players who are interested in a tounament. 4 players are registered, further 3 interest stated, but so far did not register. So there will be a deadline for the tournament: If there are not at least 8 players registered at 8 am GMT this Friday the tournament will be canceled. regards Christoph Marx |
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Apr 19th 2004 at 12:57:49 AM |
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Katy LaVallee |
Best expert: |
62 --> 61! |
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haha dennis ![]() me go sleep now. |
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Apr 18th 2004 at 11:49:23 PM |
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Name: |
tim limgenco |
Best expert: |
87 |
Best intermediate: |
28 |
Best beginner: |
5 |
Comments: |
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Apr 18th 2004 at 02:59:42 PM |
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Name: |
Sorin |
Best intermediate: |
2x 3.97 3bv/s nf |
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I think most people would stay here. I don't like the forum style because it's hard to read all new posts and follow all the topics. If you have something to say about 2 or 3 topics you have to make 2-3 different posts. In my oppinion, this guestbook is perfect for this type of conversation. I don't think we need to get things organized on topics. I got another 3.97 3BV/s on int (23.12 on a 88 3BV board). I have both avi and txt videos. |
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Apr 18th 2004 at 02:42:56 PM |
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Name: |
Dennis Lütken |
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4hurtingchristians.com... Hmmm, not sure I want to visit that site! ![]() ![]() |
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