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Mar 23rd 2003 at 06:05:11 PM |
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Paul |
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I never managed to sub-60 when no-flagging, but reading some entries here about playing that way has made me play that way for the last 24 hours or so. Anyway, I just got a 56, on a 3bv 174 board. Which makes me wonder why I ever started flagging in the first place, especially with it being my best score in a little while too. (FWIW, I think my previous nf record was 62). |
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Mar 23rd 2003 at 02:36:57 PM |
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Sorin |
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You're totally addicted Damien! ![]() Is there some way we could see any of your recent videos? |
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Mar 23rd 2003 at 02:20:38 PM |
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Name: |
Elmar |
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...2 hours... ![]() |
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Mar 23rd 2003 at 02:06:57 PM |
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Name: |
Elmar |
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new 3bv/s record: 3bv200 in 71 secs -> 2,82 3bv/s video can be downloaded at my site ![]() got only one sub70 in 3 hours though. but i think it's because i finished no more than 5 games. 104 sub70s ![]() |
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Mar 23rd 2003 at 01:53:54 PM |
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Name: |
Manu |
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Very very impressive Damien ! ![]() ![]() I have only 250 sub-20 so far, and more than 50% are 19s... ![]() But Yesterday I got my first 57 ![]() ![]() |
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Mar 23rd 2003 at 10:09:19 AM |
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Steffen Stachna |
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Stephan Bechtel and Elmar both are right. I was a flagger and iīll probably stay a flagger. I finished 2 games in nf-style. A 99 some weeks ago, and yesterday i tried again and made a 78. My mouse grap is fucked up. Thatīs the reason why. @Roli : ![]() |
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Mar 23rd 2003 at 09:07:32 AM |
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Name: |
James |
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LOL ![]() 29*60, 28*46, 27*40,26*29, 25*17, 24*11, 23*5, 22*4, 21*1, 20*1 Sub-30s: 214. Time taken: 15 months. ![]() |
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Mar 23rd 2003 at 08:58:38 AM |
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Name: |
James |
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Damien: 7 hours eh? You are one crazy mother fucker. ![]() I got a 78 yesterday, my second sub 80. I have been trying to finnish an nf expert game but a) I make too many mistakes and b) once I get about half done I start to lose track of the parts I have cleared. So my nf records stand at 3-24-xx ![]() |
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Mar 23rd 2003 at 06:57:17 AM |
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Daniel Lynch |
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I just had an unusual intermediate board. I had three clicks, then hit a mine with 1 second still on the clock(1.59 says the counter). At that point, I counted each square, only 52 remaining. That's only 20% of the board size remaining to be cleared with .59 seconds gone.... I thought it unusual. Kinda wish I hadn't blown myself up. |
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Mar 22nd 2003 at 06:10:59 PM |
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Name: |
Ryan Mann |
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@Elmar: No, fortunately I am not that guy, although I do feel bad for him. That was my 43rd sub 70 game that I had recorded, the real number can't be over 50. Thanks for the congrats, and hopefully I will be able to congratulate you soon. Good luck. |
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Mar 22nd 2003 at 06:08:43 PM |
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Name: |
damien |
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btw, regarding the previous post, the hand starts malfunctioning at hour 5, but you can play through it, but consistency goes out the window by hour 6 and 7 (during those hours nearly half my games were 20's and 21's as opposed to my usual 1 or 2 an hour). |
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Mar 22nd 2003 at 06:06:18 PM |
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damien |
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remember when i went on a sweeping marathon last summer for 7h and got 113 sub-20's? i repeated this last night starting at midnight ending at 7am to see if i've improved...results: 19*54, 18*82, 17*29, 16*24, 15*10, 14*2, 13*2, 12*1 Total = 204. 1st hour 39/h, 7th hour 24/h, average 29/h. best game: 13 on a 53 for 4.1/s. best loss: 12 on a 37 lost on last click on a misclick btw, this is all spurred by matt's comment last month about my lack of 12's...so, i've been playing and got 12#1 last week, 12#2 this week, and already lost a third 12. i'll slow down if i pass your 5 matt ![]() ![]() |
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Mar 22nd 2003 at 04:06:15 PM |
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Name: |
Grzegorz Górny |
Best expert: |
65 |
Best intermediate: |
16 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
Comments: |
Another nf improvement 77 -> 72. ![]() |
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Mar 22nd 2003 at 01:55:18 PM |
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Sorin |
Best expert: |
49 |
Best intermediate: |
3x13 |
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Roli, I know the dreamboard very good, but I did not (and will not) use this to make a doubtable record. I play minesweeper to improve my speed overall, not just to one game. I probably "played" the dreamboard more than anyone, bu this does not make me a cheater(or whatever) until i use this knowledge. |
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Mar 22nd 2003 at 02:30:28 AM |
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Stephan |
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Elmar, congratulations to your nf improvements. But please don't beat my 55 in the nearer future ![]() Owen, Elmar is right. I'm Stephan Bechtel and still non-flagger. Steffen Stachna got the 53 and is a flagger. |
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Mar 22nd 2003 at 01:06:20 AM |
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Elmar |
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NF: 73->67 again video and screenshot on my site ![]() |
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Mar 21st 2003 at 04:27:35 PM |
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Name: |
Elmar |
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new nf record: 79->73 3bv154 screenshot and video are on my site ![]() |
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Mar 21st 2003 at 03:50:09 PM |
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Name: |
Elmar |
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@Owen: first of all, there is no SteHen! SteFFen has always been a flagger. the non-flagger is StePHAn... ![]() |
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Mar 21st 2003 at 02:55:11 PM |
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Daniel Lynch |
Best expert: |
84 |
Best intermediate: |
18 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
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I came pretty close to breaking my expert again. This time I lost it on the last region of mines in the corner with 73 on the timer. Definitely would have been a sub80. I had a ridiculously good board (107 3BV) which I lost earlier today. I was about 70% complete when I lost on a forced 50/50. The counter tells me I was on course for a sub 70. That would have been sweet. 69.34 seconds to be exact. Soon. |
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Mar 21st 2003 at 01:23:44 PM |
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Name: |
Owen |
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Stehen - i just watched your video there. didn't u used to be a non flagger or is that nother stehen? have you completely changed styles? cu all later Happy sweeping Owen |
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Mar 21st 2003 at 12:41:11 PM |
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Neil M (aka: Blindmage) |
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i would say something...but i don't think i've been around long enough, Damien's explained it all too me....but i still think i'd be out of my legue..so i'll jut sit back and watch. ![]() |
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Mar 21st 2003 at 09:53:11 AM |
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Elmar |
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@Ryan: Congratulations, i hope i will follow you soon! how many sub70s did it take you? were you the guy with 170 sub70s or was that someone else? i'm at 103 right now. ![]() @Roli: there might be a slight difference but it's still the same issue. in my opinion the congress can't deny steffen's 9 and allow yours at the same time, sorry. ![]() |
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Mar 21st 2003 at 07:39:25 AM |
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Roli |
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Still it doesnīt suit me that all of you regard to the 9īs in one sentence. Do you really see no difference in those two??? I could manage it once with luck, but if I understood it right Steffen could have the dreamboard every day and this seems to me the same like Sorin did with his computerprogram long ago. He can practice every day and than the 8 will be no problem. Also I donīt like the idea of getting a 1 in beginner only because one doesnīt like the timer bug. If this is right, I could also declare a 1 as my record from now on. In fact, everyone who hates the timer bug searches (browses) for a good board and has a 1. ![]() |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 04:27:51 PM |
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matt |
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i need help i have no idea how to play minesweeper and its starting to piss me off can someone please tell me how i can tell if the space im clicking is a mine or not |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 04:01:16 PM |
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Ryan Mann |
Best expert: |
57! |
Best intermediate: |
18 |
Best beginner: |
3 |
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I finally did it! My sub 60 just came on a 144 3bv board. Not really sure what to do now, but I might retire, or atleast not play so much. I still want a 2, and something better than an 18, but that can wait. I am so pleased right now, its been a while coming. Should be a good time for the AR, considering i didn't submit last time cause of spring break, and i just beat my expert by 4 sec. happy sweeping, Ry |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 03:26:24 PM |
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Matt |
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I can say that the congress is pretty much split down the middle on the issue of accepting the 9's for world records. Currently we are discussing the options at hand including outlawing the DB, accepting the DB for personal records but not for world records, just leaving the game like it is with moral condemnation in the case of another DB perversion, etc. etc. |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 01:39:23 PM |
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Roelof Smit |
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In my opinion, the AR should not be stopped, but it's the Congress'decision what to do with your scores Steffen. And I'm sure we will be the first to know if they have reached a decision ![]() Or will the security police be informed first? |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 12:27:17 PM |
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Steffen |
Best expert: |
53 (3) |
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Hey folks, after concentrating on exp again, i just got my 3rd 53 on a 158 3bv board. i just put it to the yahoo.groups video section. I also added my 11 from the current period and a 12 i got some days ago. what does the congress do? anyone got a final solution? possible to get that 53 in the ar? Regards, Steffen |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 10:21:06 AM |
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Roelof Smit |
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I will not be able to make the AR list in time next period, so it will take a few days before the list is updated. Just to inform you. |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 10:06:26 AM |
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Name: |
berg |
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2,18*2,75*3 howdy all, i like the idea of having challenge boards every 2-4 weeks, it will mix things up, and i still cant believe i havent broken 70, but it'll happen all i got to think about is that i was at 267 on expert last july, my goal is to break 60 in 6 more months, nehoot sit back, play some minesweeper while watching the war, ane eat some food. p.s.( 18/ im a math/science person, to the point have ne of you guys tried sweeping while being drunk or having a few beers in ya?, ne hoot my records after 6 beers are 8, 38, 99, im gonna try to improve them over spring break =) , this all started from a bet where i could beat neone who was sober while i wasnt) ![]() |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 04:31:02 AM |
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Paul O'Donnell |
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I have been trying to clear 50 mines in a 10 by 10 square on and off for about three years now. The closest I have come is 8 left to go. Is anyone else out there playing this variation of the game. It's all about weighted probabilities, and a lot of luck. Also is there version of hexagonal minesweeper on there somewhere. I'm sure that there is a market for it! |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 03:35:58 AM |
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Georgi Kermekchiev |
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I am also in the "grey zone" Backgroud in Finance/Marketing ... |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 02:49:38 AM |
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Stephan |
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Grzegorz, I think Lasse's best nf expert game is a 56. |
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Mar 20th 2003 at 01:28:18 AM |
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Lasse Nyholm |
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Grzegorz: my best non-f-time is 56, but I think it's a least a year old, I haven't played much non-f in a while. About science/non-science: I'm on my way to be an architect, so I guess it might be a gray zone. I have a tendency to get pretty scientific in my assignments, but I try to work against it and be more free/subjectiv. - Lanyjé |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 10:09:04 PM |
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Matthew Ackerman |
Best expert: |
75 |
Best intermediate: |
12 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
Comments: |
@Ashley I don't think the Top 100 on this site is maintained anymore. Most players submit scores to Active Ranking now. However if you do get on it, lemme know, i want in ![]() |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 09:04:01 PM |
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Name: |
Anonymous Surfer |
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I'm more worried about inviting another 9/11 myself...no offense to Israelis, but it is the fact that my country (The US) gives your country free money that 9/11/01 happened in the first place. Messing around in the Middle East more rather than pulling out will simply provoke more terrorism, resulting in more usage of the Bill of Rights as toilet paper by the government. |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 08:08:56 PM |
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Daniel Lynch |
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This is not the best place for it but in a feeling of powerlessness, I'll post my brief thoughts here. Bush, I hope you know what you're doing because I have no trust in you. Any administration that presents the "logic" that I have been subjected to, gains no support from me. May the war be swift, Saddam deposed and a humanitarian crisis diverted. |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 07:59:00 PM |
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Name: |
Martin Toft Madsen |
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In about 12 hours I'm on my way to Gran Canaria and I stay there for a week ![]() Instead of going to Turkey, which was to close to the war zone, my class is taking a trip to Gran Canaria, which was the only other option. We have to study stars and make some field trips, but I guess it's okay as long as it's about 20-25 degrees ![]() And don't worry, I bring my laptop so I won't have to do without minesweeper ![]() |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 07:29:14 PM |
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Name: |
James |
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Though I am not an elite sweeper (3-20-74), I too am part of "the other 10%". I am an Honours English major and plan on taking my masters and PhD, and to eventually become a Professor. I am doing my Honours thesis on James Joyce and my focus in on Modernism and Post-Colonial literature, especially that of Ireland. I like languages and I know some French, Italian, and Old English (which is a lot like Icelandic and Old Norse). However, it is obvious that Science-people are better at the game. |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 06:31:42 PM |
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Name: |
ruanyi |
Comments: |
Hi,anyone notices that the times showed on minesweeper is different to showed in desktop. http://szmine.51.net/video/not same.avi & which one is the turth score? |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 05:05:34 PM |
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Name: |
Grzegorz Górny |
Best expert: |
65 |
Best intermediate: |
16 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
Comments: |
i hardly ever play non'flaging. Today i was playing non'flaging on expert first time since (something about) 2 months and done 77. i'm just wondering am i better non'flaging or flaging sweeper. Lasse: what's your best non'f expert time, because i know that you flag most of mines? |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 05:02:54 PM |
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Name: |
ruanyi |
Best expert: |
59,61,62,63*2 |
Best intermediate: |
16 17 18*2 |
Best beginner: |
2*2 |
Comments: |
i think i`m the oldest,born in 1965. ![]() |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 03:55:45 PM |
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Name: |
Andrew Washburn |
Best expert: |
67 |
Best intermediate: |
17 |
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I, for one, will step out and express that I must be part of the other ten percent; I hate math, I don't care much for sciences with a few exceptions, and I love English, history, and political science. I am majoring in German and hope to attend law school. Engineering, computer programming, picking apart algorithms and anything technical has little to no appeal to me. Yet, I can still sub 20, which doesnt make me necessarily elite, but defaintely very good. Weird huh? |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 12:56:34 PM |
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Name: |
Ashley |
Best expert: |
71 --> 66 |
Best intermediate: |
23 |
Best beginner: |
5 |
Comments: |
Yay, I'm finally in the top 100! How do I get my name on the list? Who are the youngest and oldest people here? I'm 15 |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 12:24:34 PM |
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Name: |
Marc Schouten |
Best expert: |
47 |
Comments: |
Why thank you, Amanda. Very eloquently put. ![]() |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 11:53:00 AM |
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Name: |
Elmar Zimmermann |
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that was me... video is also on my side. i think it's pretty nice ![]() |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 11:47:23 AM |
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Name: |
Anonymous Surfer |
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AAAAH, missed a 60 2 clicks before finishing, 3bv174!!!!! 3bv/s: 2,88 for screenshot go to my side: http://debby.lexx.ath.cx/~elmar/minesweeper/Screenshots/Expert/missed%2060%20-%2019-03-03%20-%203bv173.PNG oh well, i suppose it would've been just another 61 ![]() |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 11:07:52 AM |
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Name: |
Amanda |
Best expert: |
167 |
Best intermediate: |
44 |
Best beginner: |
6 |
Comments: |
How the hell do you possibly get 50 seconds on expert? I do not belive this to be physically possible. You are all bloody cheaters I say. I curse you for defiling the beloved name of minesweeper. You will all have to answer for your indescretions. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 10:50:36 AM |
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Name: |
Elmar Zimmermann |
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aargh, jussed messed up a 3bv108 board after 28 secs...estimated times 56, rats!!! second lowest board i've ever had (1st:105)! |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 10:13:35 AM |
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Name: |
Yannig |
Best expert: |
87 |
Best intermediate: |
23 |
Best beginner: |
3 |
Comments: |
Just got my 20th sub100, a 99 [ ![]() I don't see the mistake in that video, except that the timer seems not to work ![]() btw, a good bush is a burning bush ![]() |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 09:40:13 AM |
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Name: |
Brigid |
Best expert: |
85 - On another computer |
Best intermediate: |
30 - Don't play this much |
Best beginner: |
5 |
Comments: |
Damien, where did you get that 90% statistic? "ninety percent are university students in physics, chemistry, biology, or the computer sciences" Just wondering! (I'm a chemistry major) ![]() |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 08:56:09 AM |
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Name: |
Elmar |
Comments: |
Nevermind, i got it... ![]() |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 08:53:38 AM |
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Name: |
Elmar |
Best expert: |
61x3 |
Best intermediate: |
14 |
Best beginner: |
1x2 |
Comments: |
Georgi, what's so cute about that video? i think i would've felt for it. except that the style is pretty weird. my playing is pretty down these days, can't finish many games... |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 06:10:38 AM |
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Name: |
Marc Schouten |
Comments: |
Just a friendly notice that the congress is working on the issue of Roli's and Steffen's 9s. Opinions have been heard and a solution is worked on. Don't have an ETA yet, but progress is being made. |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 03:19:40 AM |
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Name: |
Georgi Kermekchiev |
Comments: |
Steffen, Daniela made cute fake 57 video ![]() http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minesweeper-addicts/files/57.avi |
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Mar 19th 2003 at 03:10:27 AM |
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Name: |
Steffen |
Best expert: |
53 |
Best intermediate: |
9 |
Best beginner: |
1 |
Comments: |
Not even one of Sorinīs programs does work on my pc. mostly my computer shuts down or doesnt do anything.if i want to know the 3bv i have to save the pic and use the 3bv counter. Thatīs uncomfortable, but at least it works. And in Int i can almost see the 3bv nearly (+-6?). So i dont need it that often. Can someone tell me, what Daniela did. I read it recently here but i forgot to ask...thx |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 11:22:28 PM |
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Name: |
Lance Votroubek |
Comments: |
so maybe a new version of count_rec could allow for a choice of which fields are turned on or off and therefore shown in the program window. Just another idea, if you ever get around to it! Lance ![]() |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 10:54:19 PM |
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Name: |
Lance Votroubek |
Comments: |
Georgi, I agree that the "would-be" time isn't particularly informative, but it has applications other than to show that you've played a game perfectly. If you finish a board in the same number of clicks as the 3BV would have, that doesn't mean you played exactly right... maybe you dropped some clicks when you double clicked a number, but gained some more at another point when you made too many clicks. It might be a nice supplement to your e-ratio, showing that if it takes you fewer clicks to finish a board than the 3BV suggests, how much more efficient you are than the 3BV benchmark (it happens to me often when playing expert, and occasionally on intermediate), or how much you erred if you take more clicks than the benchmark. It puts a time value on those numbers, rather than thinking "well, that took me 12 more clicks than it should have, so roughly 4 seconds longer", which I often do. Anyway, I'll agree that it isn't something that is extremely useful, considering it's all after the fact, but for a freak like myself, I can gauge how a game truly went a little better. ![]() ![]() Lance |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 03:09:03 PM |
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Name: |
Martin Toft Madsen |
Best expert: |
63 |
Best intermediate: |
18x5 |
Best beginner: |
1 |
Comments: |
Just made a 64 sec on a 149 3BV board ![]() Unfortunately the Count Recorder had stopped recording some games before, so 66 sec is still the fastest I have recorded ![]() Status so far: 55 sub80's and 7 sub70's ![]() |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 03:02:54 PM |
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Name: |
lukasz malinowski |
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i don't have a significant problem with the counter at all now, as well as lasse, but this counter program might be very useful. several days ago i complained about my mouse, but today i discovered when it's connected to usb port, not to ps/2 with a converter, it works great. just got 49s ![]() |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 12:15:42 PM |
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Name: |
Matthew Ackerman |
Best expert: |
75 |
Best intermediate: |
12 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
Comments: |
Hey guys, is the top 100 list on this site still maintained at all? Great site. |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 11:46:34 AM |
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Name: |
Matt |
Comments: |
It should be hundredth. thousandth is overkill IMO |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 11:33:41 AM |
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Name: |
Andrew Washburn |
Comments: |
forgot to ask: how accurate will the timer be in the new version, to the tenth, hundredth or thousandth of a second? |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 10:31:18 AM |
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Name: |
Dan Cerveny |
Comments: |
Cool, Lasse. Now you shouldn't have any timer jump or slow timer problems. |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 10:11:39 AM |
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Name: |
Roli |
Comments: |
3x61! ![]() |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 09:29:22 AM |
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Name: |
Lasse Nyholm |
Comments: |
Hi guys, just got my first sub-50 on my new computer and therefore on the XP-version, 'twas a 44 and since I still don't have access to my server the video is in videos-section in the addicts' files-section. ![]() |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 08:00:09 AM |
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Name: |
Rob Tonge |
Best expert: |
94 |
Best intermediate: |
31 |
Best beginner: |
5 |
Comments: |
I've just been looking at the top scores. It seems that no new ones have been put up since about June 2002, so I've a long time to wait before mine go up (excuse the very poor pun). In a small attempt at some self glorification, I'm putting them on this guestbook. You lot may not be impressed, but I have to say I'm rather proud of those scores ![]() |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 03:35:11 AM |
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Name: |
Daniel Lynch |
Best expert: |
84 |
Best intermediate: |
18 |
Best beginner: |
2 |
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I just got another 19 second inter. It's a 42 3BV board. I think it's interesting to see just how efficient one is. This one I did in 48 clicks. I think I'm quite efficient but very slow when it comes to my clicking. I had a couple of close experts including a 50/50 last square loss with 81 on the timer. That was a 156 3BV board. Not bad... Happy Sweeping. (PS Please don't shut down inter from the record lists... it's all I have ![]() |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 02:06:09 AM |
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Georgi Kermekchiev |
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Oh Lance, Probably I misunderstood you - You suggest counter to show 'would-be' time (if keeping pace and playing perfectly) ? It's nice and informative, but not that useful, because it shows an imaginery value (achieved only in case you know board layout in advance)... |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 01:02:25 AM |
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Georgi Kermekchiev |
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It is not that hard to guess that non-flaggers are more efficient than others ![]() |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 01:00:24 AM |
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Georgi Kermekchiev |
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... one another counter suggestion .... ![]() If possible to be made a log-file with all finished game ratios and stats in .TXT It will help those of us who make their statistics ![]() |
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Mar 18th 2003 at 12:54:58 AM |
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Georgi Kermekchiev |
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Lance, I think the Counter is much better in its latest version. What is the problem with your 18sec-52-clicks board. Yes, indeed if you had played the game perfectly (in 36 clicks) and find way to keep the pace (2.73 3bv/sec), it would be finished in 13.19. Sorin, In case you plan new version I would suggest one more field - another ratio, showing all clicks made devided by 3bv. This new ratio (e-ratio) will show how efficient is your playing style. I, personally, am most unefficient player - my total (left+rigth) clicks per second are 6-8 clk/sec and inthe same time 3bv/sec - 1.8 to 2.5 My e-ratio reaches 4 (which means I make 3 more clicks than necessary) One noticed bug for the counter - maybe every third ot fourth game I finish - the counter shows xx.99 seconds !? Anyway I think al we must give the honor to Sorin for his great work - Thanks! ![]() |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 11:13:27 PM |
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Lance Votroubek |
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a couple of ideas for a next version of the count_rec program, if there ever will be one: 1) a field that shows your "would-be" time, had you finished a game with the number of clicks that the 3BV says it should take (ex: my 52 clicks on a 36 3bv board got me an 18, at 2.73 right clicks per second, but had I only done it in 36 clicks, it would have taken barely 13 seconds - 36/2.73=13.19) 2) a help file for the count_rec and the video player files. I just do not understand some of the fields on the newest version of count_rec, so I only use the older version which I think is great; and I absolutely cannot figure out for the life of me how to record, let alone play and edit, games using the recorder program. I know very few others probably have this problem, and I am just a complete moron, but it's a help file that would allow us morons (ok, probably just me) to not have to come out of the moron closet to figure out such a program. Anyway, just some suggestions for an otherwise great utility! Happy sweeping, all! Lance |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 09:29:33 PM |
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James |
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I think that a maximum and minimun 3BV would be good. As for the world record being the best 3BV/sec...I just don't think that that makes sense. The world record would probably be a 200+ 3BV board that Lasse finnished in the low 50s. Is that really harder than geting low 40s on a good 3BV. |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 05:24:14 PM |
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Matt |
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Andrew, its better if the games varies the 3bv like it does now, of course there will be better boards, thats good. What we like to do away with is a great board repeating itself over and over again so people can take advantage of it. People will play it for the same reason they do now. The slow boards are good practice for when you get the fast ones. With the new version, the fast boards will still be there, just every fast one will be unique to that particular sweeper and they will never get that board again, preventing what has recently happened with the DB. |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 04:12:12 PM |
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andrew washburn |
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there CAN be no perfect game...no matter how the algorithms work, some boards will be better than others (unless you wizards can come up with something where the 3bv for each board is the same, just with a different layout of mines, but then again, i'm sure there is only a very limited number of boards for each 3bv), and no matter what "laws" you come up with, some people will automatically quit any board as soon as they realize it's not good for speed/recordbreaking purposes...therefore, i feel the best solution would be to come up a system for determining a raw "score" for each game based on the 3bv and the time taken to finish it. a board with a lower 3bv would require a faster time to getthe same "score" as a board with a higher 3bv...this way the people who want to fart around trying to get fast boards can do so (no insults intended), but it wouldnt give them an unfair advantage over the ones who simply like to play minesweeper. the world records would be based on the best 3bv/time ratio, not just the time. or perhaps simply two separate world records, one for raw speed and one for the 3bv/speed ratio...whaddya think? |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 02:03:37 PM |
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Steffen |
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You dont want to understand me right, eh? What in my "history" seems wrong to you?? ![]() |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 01:33:08 PM |
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Marc Schouten |
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Steffen: Yes. Very dubious. Do you really think there's not a thing wrong with playing the way you have? If so, you're probably one of very few. |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 11:00:33 AM |
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Steffen |
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@yannig:Sure that... @Marc:dubious history?iīm a sweeper not a sleeper. i cant imagine what you are talking about. I always played fair. i even could have go on and never tell it. ![]() @all:The vid is at the yahoogroups now. |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 07:38:59 AM |
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Yannig |
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In a certain way I understand Steffen, and all those who know about this cycle in intermediate. Would you play a board knowing it will be bad and that there is no way you will beat you record?? I won't, and I think Steffen won't too, and that's why he only plays the good boards, because everything else is just a waste of time if you want to beat your record, and you know there is no hope to get a good board. ![]() |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 06:49:01 AM |
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Marc Schouten |
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That was me... |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 06:48:44 AM |
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Anonymous Surfer |
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I haven't been able to break 50 in a few months! Of course, I've only broken it once... ![]() |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 06:21:31 AM |
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Dan |
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Damien, I'd take a couple 48s. I haven't been able to break 50 for a few weeks. |
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Mar 17th 2003 at 01:06:38 AM |
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Jon S |
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@Martin: I guess I wasn't very fast on that beginner board. I think I spent a lot of time trying to calculate what would be the best spot to click. If I had found some procedures on how to click in different situations, I would probably have saved a lot of time. Maybe I'll try to get a video with 32 mines soon. |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 11:32:13 PM |
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James |
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@Lance: "the point of the AR is to measure how fast players are, not how fast the game can be played". Brilliant. I think that the course we are currently on will lead to the creation of a genuine game, without cycles, timmer jumps, cheats, etc. Of course we will then have two sets of records. The records on the new game would be official (and the 9s would remain as records and proof of why a new game was needed) and new players comming to the site would have to download the new version and use it in order to be accepted as legit. I don't see any problem with that situation. @Marc: i agree that the arguing can get prety tiresome. But do you really think that any contribution to the game is "bad". I think that the 9s werevery important because they showed us how one might take advantage of a cycle (I know you did not know about the cycle Roli, but you did know that if you clicked in certain areas every time you would get the DB more often). |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 09:53:22 PM |
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damien |
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after last week (the best sweeping week of my life), where i broke my click/s ratios for expert and int, broke my personal records for highest sub-20 highest sub-50 3bvs, tied my exp record twice and got my first 12 on int on a 40 board, i have had the most embarassing sweeping day of the year in recompense. meaning, in the last hour i got two 48's on a 126 and 122 board, lost a 131, a 132, an 134, got a 14 on a 28 board and 2 on a fumbled 2-click board. where were those boards last week? when i tied my records last week they were on 157 click boards. i've been playing a full 0.6 clicks/s below average. anyways, not that this really matters to anyone, but it's pissing me off after 9 months of not breaking a single record. btw, i think steffen was just making a point and he made it well. |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 07:27:24 PM |
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Paul |
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I do worry that a new version of Minesweeper, generating a whole new bunch of easy intermediate games might result in a not-so-great player being able to boast very quick times using very little skill. While not a problem in itself, I don't like the idea that all the ranking systems in use will seem to show this player is actually better than others. |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 03:45:06 PM |
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Martin Toft Madsen |
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@Sorin: I've thought about it myself, but I think most top-sweepers would know about it and the not-top-sweepers wouldn't even care and probably wouldn't know about the DB anyway. Maybe you could say that 1's on beg and sub15 on int were only allowed on the 'new' minesweeper? Just a thought... ![]() |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 02:56:09 PM |
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Sorin |
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Just a thought for the "new minesweeper": We could make one but that would create a new problem. There will be sweepers that won't know about it and keep playing on the original one. So there won't be a universal game. I was thinking that we could go to the source. A letter/mail to Microsoft. Maybe they will do something( if they care about stuff like that), but I wouldn't put much hope into this... |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 02:42:57 PM |
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Manu |
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Roli, you'll have to explain us how to get 7 times the DB in a few weeks just with luck while other players got it less than 7 times in all their carrier ( even players like matt or Damien who used to play int a lot ). |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 01:56:38 PM |
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Roli |
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Well, as I said before, I didnīt know about any board cycles either to that point. And I donīt doubt that the videos will look the same, but obviously the way to reach the board is different. I still have to rely on luck. Also I like the idea of Minesweeper challenges as ActiveRankingStyle. |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 10:28:06 AM |
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Lance Votroubek |
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to clarify: the principle that Matt used is prior knowledge of the board, not prior knowledge of board cycles. Therein lies the difference between Matt and Roli/Steffan. |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 10:21:15 AM |
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Keith Whitener |
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Hi folks. What if, instead of getting rid of AR, whoever runs it comes up with a different challenge for every period. Say, for example, next month the challenge is who can beat a 16x30 board with 120 mines in the fastest time. And you could change it for each period, making a new challenge. It would certainly cut down on repeated boards, and it would be a better insight into who is actually on the top of their game. If you want to keep the traditional style AR, you could have 3 challenges, on increasing sized boards. For example, in place of beginner, you could have a 10x10 board with 25 mines; for intermediate, you could have 20x20 with 50 mines, and for expert, the same as mentioned above. Just a thought... |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 10:16:32 AM |
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Lance Votroubek |
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I am NOT in favor of stopping the AR, but I do not think any scores acheived through some contrived method of manipulating which board you get should be accepted for it. I reluctantly accept Roli (and Steffan's) 9 as the world records, just because I accepted Matt's 10, and they are basically done using the same principle (sorry Matt), but the point of the AR is to measure how fast players are, not how fast the game can be played (there is a small but important difference). Anyway, keep the AR, people who screw around with board cycles to get good times are usually obvious because they can't help but bragging about it. If they want to start their own AR for predicting board cycles, let them go ahead. But let's keep our AR clean. Lance |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 10:13:23 AM |
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Marc Schouten |
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You know, it's funny. Everybody here gets along, except for the two people who have the most dubious history. I can't say that I care too much for either of your contributions to this community. |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 06:51:23 AM |
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Steffen |
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Ok Roli. We surely dont like each other. But it was never my thought to "crash the minesweeper system" (???) and i never wanted to "get through" with that... i said directly that i didnt want that 9 in the ar. and if you see the vid - you must be very very creative to see a difference between my 9 and yours (tomorrow at the yahoogroups). i agree with you to stop the ar or otherwise go on but only with expert or otherwise without me/jon s or others who know about that cycle so well. congress thing. hopefully the decision or the new minesweeper is there soon. ![]() |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 05:42:29 AM |
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Manu |
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@ congress members : When do you think the final decision will be taken ? I can understand that all that is really not simple, but I'd just like to know if things are going their way... ![]() @ Roli, Steffen, Jon S. and probably others : I think it would be great if those who know how bords are generated wrote an essay ( a bit like Jon S. did some time ago ) including everything they know concerning the cycles and the way to get a board you want in a short time. I'm in favor of telling all the truth about all that, and in favor of stopping the AR until there is some kind of "law" asking all players who post scores to play in "the normal way" ( to be definited more precisely ). If it is not possible, I'm in favor of stopping the AR until the "perfect game" is created. |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 05:36:27 AM |
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Martin Toft Madsen |
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Jon, I laughed a lot when I saw your beginner game with 31 mines. Were you watching TV while you were playing ![]() ![]() Wonder which type of homepage 'http://www.shavedsnatch.net/' is... ![]() |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 05:08:58 AM |
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Jon S |
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I couldn't upload that expert board because of a 1 MB upload limit. Anyway, I think I forgot to mention that I got my 3 #1000 some weeks ago. |
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Mar 16th 2003 at 05:02:21 AM |
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Mindy |
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